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Question - Predator Final Patch?! - What should be changed?

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
Out of all the shit posting i see on tym from randoms wanting insane buffs or nerfs, Reo actually thinks and has sensible ideas. I'm glad nobody on this thread has a say in balance in mkx. Because i see some really stupid shit.

Pred struggles against offense because hes meant to zone. You dont understand that? High ridiculous level zoning with the lasers and disks, so when the opponent gets in, he gets rushed down. I think all cancels need to be reigned in. But leave it to tym to want their character to have 0 weaknesses.
I guess you didn't read the part where i said pred isn't my character huh? So nice nothing. Compared to other cancel characters he's cancels aren't a big deal. Plus leaving it to some random tym member to make ridiculous suggestions or agree with ridiculous suggestions. So he is meant to zone and then when any top 10 character gets in on him gg's preditor? Ye that's exactly how to balance the game and the character out lol

please refer to my previous response for predators options after every cancel to realise he's cancels don't give him much at all. In my opinion they are fine.
 
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GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
True that a cancel has to be done into 21 less the opponent armor or low poke. Though that is part of the mind game. If the opponent knows Predator has to do 21 to make it true then they will look for that and block. Then in that moment that is when the Predator will do something else. B22 etc etc.

It isn't as though people will just poke after each block string on the chance he doesn't do 21 (one can assume) even trying to OS may be a bit harder than its worth.

The same can be said for Tremor. None of his Shatter Cancels guarantee or jail anything mid screen. That doesn't stop me from conditioning the opponent to be afraid to armor in between block strings. After that then I can do whatever I like, to an extent anyway.
Lol that's called being fraudulent. Oh yes i know some people who poke every time i do 11 on block with jax even tho i can d1 gotcha or block and punish them - so they are almost forcing me to condition them to block after it - its like they're saying - well if you don't punish me i am gonna keep doing it. But i wouldn't advice being fraudulent as an actually play style or game plan because some people have ridiculous reactions and its a bad habit that won't work offline.
 

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
I guess you didn't read the part where i said pred isn't my character huh? So nice nothing. Compared to other cancel characters he's cancels aren't a big deal. Plus leaving it to some random tym member to make ridiculous suggestions or agree with ridiculous suggestions. So he is meant to zone and then when any top 10 character gets in on him gg's preditor? Ye that's exactly how to balance the game and the character out lol

please refer to my previous response for predators options after every cancel to realise he's cancels don't give him much at all. In my opinion they are fine.
Idc if hes your character, i didnt say he was. Hes meant to have a weakness like balanced characters should. If plus 8 and other plus cancels "dont give him much" then i dont know what to tell you. He could use a faster poke though. Also, yeah his cancels may not be as good as cancel characters, but his zoning and space control is stronger... some people here want insane zoning with crazy pressure and solid wakeups as if that would be solid balance.
 

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
Idc if hes your character, i didnt say he was. Hes meant to have a weakness like balanced characters should. If plus 8 and other plus cancels "dont give him much" then i dont know what to tell you. He could use a faster poke though. Also, yeah his cancels may not be as good as cancel characters, but his zoning and space control is stronger... some people here want insane zoning with crazy pressure and solid wakeups as if that would be solid balance.
Didn't you say "But leave it to tym to want their character to have 0 weaknesses."
So i was clarifying.
So he has plus cancels that he can poke after or grab or low lazer- so if he's only options are lows after then you block low he pokes- hes minus, he low lazers he's minus so how is that a great advantage? either way he pretty much loses his turn after that and this all depends on his opponent not having meter to armour out so.... i still don't see your point
 

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
That added to the fact that he just wasted half his bar of stamina to be neutral or -7 or get 12% grab - again all this depending on his opponent not armouring out
 

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
Idc if hes your character, i didnt say he was. Hes meant to have a weakness like balanced characters should. If plus 8 and other plus cancels "dont give him much" then i dont know what to tell you. He could use a faster poke though. Also, yeah his cancels may not be as good as cancel characters, but his zoning and space control is stronger... some people here want insane zoning with crazy pressure and solid wakeups as if that would be solid balance.
Also are you implying that he doesn't have a weakness? Seeing as he wen't from top 3 to not even top 10 in 1 nerf patch and yet you think he has no weaknesses? 1 of the worst if not the worse armour wake up in the game and he has no weakness. Interesting
 

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
Didn't you say "But leave it to tym to want their character to have 0 weaknesses."
So i was clarifying.
So he has plus cancels that he can poke after or grab or low lazer- so if he's only options are lows after then you block low he pokes- hes minus, he low lazers he's minus so how is that a great advantage? either way he pretty much loses his turn after that and this all depends on his opponent not having meter to armour out so.... i still don't see your point
I was speaking IN GENERAL. Also quick question, do u know the frame data on all of his cancels? Because most people dont. If he does a low lazer and loses his turn, so? The player decided to use that move, it gets read right, turn over. Most times they have to armor to get out, so they used a resource to escape. If it knocks you back, pred has the advantage. Or maybe...bait the armor and punish?

Im not getting YOUR point tbh. I think you're spoiled by seeing broken cancels like liu cage dvorah so when you see + frames that arent double digits, you assume its not that great. Pred is great at a distance, good up close, bad on knockdown. It isnt even quan level bad, ive had preds short delay armor, block and tech grab and even wakeup lazer me as liu kang off a bad meaty. Nothing to sympathize over, hes not 100% dead on knockdown.
 

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
Also are you implying that he doesn't have a weakness? Seeing as he wen't from top 3 to not even top 10 in 1 nerf patch and yet you think he has no weaknesses? 1 of the worst if not the worse armour wake up in the game and he has no weakness. Interesting
Obviously he was nerfed and others were buffed so tiers shifted. When the hell did i say he didnt have a weakness? I clearly stated he could use atleast a better poke to help him. Anyway, the patch is on the 4th. Who cares what any of us want or dont want, we will see what nrs do and that'll be it.
 

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
I was speaking IN GENERAL. Also quick question, do u know the frame data on all of his cancels? Because most people dont. If he does a low lazer and loses his turn, so? The player decided to use that move, it gets read right, turn over. Most times they have to armor to get out, so they used a resource to escape. If it knocks you back, pred has the advantage. Or maybe...bait the armor and punish?

Im not getting YOUR point tbh. I think you're spoiled by seeing broken cancels like liu cage dvorah so when you see + frames that arent double digits, you assume its not that great. Pred is great at a distance, good up close, bad on knockdown. It isnt even quan level bad, ive had preds short delay armor, block and tech grab and even wakeup lazer me as liu kang off a bad meaty. Nothing to sympathize over, hes not 100% dead on knockdown.
Yes i know all that and i am not saying give him super armour like some people are suggesting. I just don't agree with the suggestion that his cancels should be made more minus. I play HW jax he has 1 plus cancel so no i am not spoilt with cancel characters that have super plus cancels but the difference with jax is he has good buttons while pred has a 13 frame mid for example. Yes i know the frame data for his cancels roughly.

You can grab him after blocking his low lazer its part of the mind game and baiting armour is also part of the mind game. I already spoke about all this in earlier posts but with the advantages that other characters have he needs a tool to do something up close your not just gonna back dash twice ever time your opponent gets up close
 

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
Yes i know all that and i am not saying give him super armour like some people are suggesting. I just don't agree with the suggestion that his cancels should be made more minus. I play HW jax he has 1 plus cancel so no i am not spoilt with cancel characters that have super plus cancels but the difference with jax is he has good buttons while pred has a 13 frame mid for example. Yes i know the frame data for his cancels roughly.

You can grab him after blocking his low lazer its part of the mind game and baiting armour is also part of the mind game. I already spoke about all this in earlier posts but with the advantages that other characters have he needs a tool to do something up close your not just gonna back dash twice ever time your opponent gets up close
Yeah, well lets see. If nrs feel the same they may give him somthing. I just think the top 3 cancel characters need changes. They make other cancel characters look bad. Heres hoping the patch does some good for everybody