MKXL Finals at Evo 2016 Moved to 8am PST Sunday Morning (11am EST)

[ProudDisciple]

I actually played KI a ton. I just don't think its nearly as deep as MKX.

May I ask why you say this?

 

[JJvercetti]

I didn't see tekken on the list? Maybe I am blind or rmissed something ?

Tekken is probably on Friday or Saturday.

 

[Somea2V]

Overwatch would get a shit ton of entrants if they held it at EVO, as well. The number of entrants doesn't justify it being at EVO alongside true fighters.

I'm well aware that I sound irrational, but I despise the game and will never consider it a fighter. I'd rather watch Divekick than Smash. I'd rather watch my parents fuck than Smash. I'd rather watch anything than Smash.

I understand why it was added to the lineup, though. I just don't want to see it. It takes up what seems like 9 hours on Sunday, as well.

You've got a lot of anger rooted in denial and hyperbole. Might want to talk to a professional about that.

 

[Somea2V]

Leave KI out of this, that game is the best designed fighter out right now. If you think the breaking system is no more than a mini game you are dead wrong

This statement could not be more right.

 

[haketh]

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Are you positive you know how to play fighting games

And it sounds like you were playing Brawl which was REALLY easy compared to Sm4sh & Melee. Melee alone is one of the more demanding FGs to learn along with MVC2, CVS2, old GG, & Melty Blood.

 

[GAV]

May I ask why you say this?

...because it utilizes a universal system with nuances to each character rather than have characters with unique move-sets. Also, the combo and breaker systems are mini-games within the actual game rather than being based on physics.

 

[Somea2V]

...because it utilizes a universal system with nuances to each character rather than have characters with unique move-sets. Also, the combo and breaker systems are mini-games within the actual game rather than being based on physics.

Ooooh, swing and a miss. You know bud, your window for politely bowing out and admitting you know nothing about KI is quickly closing.

 

[GAV]

You've got a lot of anger rooted in denial and hyperbole. Might want to talk to a professional about that.

He's not angry at all. He's simply saying how he sees it. Its generally passive-aggressive responses like your own that come from anger.

I don't get Marvel enough to understand what's always going on, but I'm entertained by it anyway. Smash, I get - but, seriously - who the hell wants to watch that? It may be fun to play, but its terrible to watch.

 

[haketh]

...because it utilizes a universal system with nuances to each character rather than have characters with unique move-sets. Also, the combo and breaker systems are mini-games within the actual game rather than being based on physics.

None of that is true

He's not angry at all. He's simply saying how he sees it. Its generally passive-aggressive responses like your own that come from anger.

I don't get Marvel enough to understand what's always going on, but I'm entertained by it anyway. Smash, I get - but, seriously - who the hell wants to watch that? It may be fun to play, but its terrible to watch.

Consistently one of the most watched games on twitch for FGs

 

[GAV]

Ooooh, swing and a miss. You know bud, your window for politely bowing out and admitting you know nothing about KI is quickly closing.

Try to dismiss me, but its the truth. Even at MKX's highest levels, there are things guys can and cannot do. At KI's highest levels, its about choice - but everyone can do the same things. You may not like what I'm saying, but KI's combo and breaker system is a mini-game that not only makes it easier to learn, but to code as well.

 

[GAV]

None of that is true


Consistently one of the most watched games on twitch for FGs

When have you ever seen a dropped combo in KI? Its a mini-game.

That's because it isn't really a fighting game; its a platformer - and everyone loves Nintendo.

Real fighting game players are only watching it in anticipation of watching something else - usually Marvel.

 

[ProudDisciple]

...because it utilizes a universal system with nuances to each character rather than have characters with unique move-sets. Also, the combo and breaker systems are mini-games within the actual game rather than being based on physics.

It is obviously my choice but I play most of the newer fighters (Marvel, MKX, KI, BlazBlue, Guilty Gear, Smash, Pokken, SFV) and enjoy each for what they have to offer.

Regardless of a game mechanics being based on physics or not, holds no weight on whether or not it is deep and/or layered.

 

[EdFig81]

We have low numbers, expect to have shitty time. If you want better time, go support your game. This is not hard guys, stop complaining

It still sucks. Game (mkx )has an announcement that will be made by NRS at like what 9:30am? Kinda sad a game that has a big pot bonus & has the developers at hand will be given this time. I hate to sound entitled but wtf.. #walksaway before i say something that gets big brother to give me a strike heh.

Just leaving this here. Its fucked up regardless of the entrants sorry just being real.


Edit: not to mention but imo nrs games are always treated like ass in many events (not all just alot) so this just makes me more salty heh

 

[haketh]

When have you ever seen a dropped combo in KI? Its a mini-game.

That's because it isn't really a fighting game; its a platformer - and everyone loves Nintendo.

Real fighting game players are only watching it in anticipation of watching something else - usually Marvel.

People drop combos all the time, it cost me last monthly, it cost players at NWM, it cost players all the time.

When have you ever seen a dropped combo in KI? Its a mini-game.

That's because it isn't really a fighting game; its a platformer - and everyone loves Nintendo.

Real fighting game players are only watching it in anticipation of watching something else - usually Marvel.

Explain how APEX & Big House consistently get Top 5 stream views on twitch as Smash only tournaments

 

[GAV]

It is obviously my choice but I play most of the newer fighters (Marvel, MKX, KI, BlazBlue, Guilty Gear, Smash, Pokken, SFV) and enjoy each for what they have to offer.

Regardless of a game mechanics being based on physics or not, holds no weight on whether or not it is deep and/or layered.

Yes, it does.

Is UFC 2 as deep as real fighting games? Hell no! Mini-games within the actual game, even ones as good as the ones in KI, detract from the overall complexity of the game as a whole. Simple doesn't mean bad, but you can't compare KI to MKX. MKX is in a whole different stratosphere.

 

[GAV]

People drop combos all the time, it cost me last monthly, it cost players at NWM, it cost players all the time.


Explain how APEX & Big House consistently get Top 5 stream views on twitch as Smash only tournaments

If you're dropping combos in KI, you're overthinking.

Because Smash is worldwide. Soccer isn't the best sport and Yao Ming isn't the greatest basketball player. Popularity isn't the denominator of all things.

How many of those viewers are good at real fighting games? Out of them, how many are thinking about something else?

 

[ProudDisciple]

Yes, it does.

Is UFC 2 as deep as real fighting games? Hell no! Mini-games within the actual game, even ones as good as the ones in KI, detract from the overall complexity of the game as a whole. Simple doesn't mean bad, but you can't compare KI to MKX. MKX is in a whole different stratosphere.

KI at the highest level doesn't only rely on the traditional advertised
Opener-Auto Double-Linker-Auto Double-Ender formula.

Please take a look at KI Top 8 at CEO and tell me that the gameplay detracts from the overall complexity

 

[JJvercetti]

If you drop a combo, that is your own fault. How is that a mini game?

 

[big j gleez]

Well this sucks.

As far as Smash goes, it appeals to a wider audience. Simple as that. Even people who don't play the game still watch the game because the characters and feel of the game is appealing. The characters are loved by millions world wide of all age groups and have been around forever.

MK does kill in sales but where does everyone go after that? Do they just buy it for the fatalities or something? Serious question.

 

[big j gleez]

Also KI is deep as hell. There are counters for everything and to play the game at it's highest level you have to be able to quickly recognize every characters normals and indicate if it is l,m or h in order to break. You also have to read your opponent and know if he will counter break. You also can make your combos more difficult to break with manuals, forgoing the auto doubles. This requires very precise inputs and are pretty difficult. The neutral is pretty good as well. At it's highest level this game is really difficult to master.

 

[Wetdoba]

...because it utilizes a universal system with nuances to each character rather than have characters with unique move-sets.

You are sure you arent talking about MKX here LOL. Armor, sprinting, and stamina define the game. KI characters and their archetypes are 10000x more unique than characters in MKX. You have no idea what you are talking about.

And stfu about the depth of the game, have you even played the tutorial that explains how literally every part of the game works including counter breakers and everything? Of course not

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Please don't derail the thread. Which game is supposedly better than some other game has nothing to do with the ordering at EVO for Sunday -- that's not how these decisions are made.

It's also a personal opinion, and highly subjective. You can't just authoritatively state which game is proven to be best.

 

[buyacushun]

Damn, irrational smash AND KI hate. All coming out because more players showed up for those games. Circumstances suck but the way some people are handling it is crazy. I hope they're making top 8 let alone actually attending EVO.

Isn't KI about reads/reactions with the breaker, counter breaker, shadow breaker stuff? And risk (losing out on damage) vs reward (cashing out early or going big. Plus more damage from correct break baiting)? That all on top of playing a fighting game?

 

[ProudDisciple]

So of those that will exactly attend EVO for MKX, would you prefer TOP 8 being late on Saturday night over what it is now?

 

[JDM]

KI is absolutely trash as a fighting game but it's pretty fun to watch. My two cents