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Question - Hish-Qu-Ten How to get dem Plasmas plus?

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
i am here to ask how to get the Plasma Cast Cancel (PCC's) frame perfect, as in make them so tight that the AI on reversal can not armor through your following move. at least thats what i came here for. i am a long time Cyrax main, when the game first came out i mained Mileena when she was lower tier, i left her after she became more and more solid, i am one of those players that like challenging characters, and i like to master them. the one thing keeping me from pocketing Predator next to my Cyrax is that i am having trouble getting those PCC's frame perfect.

this could be the update to cancels a while back, i do remember me performing Johnny's cancels and scorpions just fine before the update, i know i should press FF then Block and not hold Block the entire time now since that does not work after update.

but for some reason im struggling and it could be my timing, im almost 100% sure that its my timing.

does anyone have any solid tips on helping me get the cancels frame perfect so the:

standing 4, F12, 32, 12 jail into lets say a 21, 12, B311 ?
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
None of them jail into anything besides standing 4, i'm pretty sure.
people are saying 12 is plus 9, so am i to assume they are incorrect? and if your right, i feel much better, i was like maybe i am doing them wrong, but if your right then i am doing them right, and it was impossible, i thought for sum reason some of them jailed into D3 cuz a thread. but only 1 perswon is saying it jails, and others are saying they can't get it to jail
 

jokey77

Character Loyalist
people are saying 12 is plus 9, so am i to assume they are incorrect? and if your right, i feel much better, i was like maybe i am doing them wrong, but if your right then i am doing them right, and it was impossible, i thought for sum reason some of them jailed into D3 cuz a thread. but only 1 perswon is saying it jails, and others are saying they can't get it to jail
4~pcc into f12 does jail.

21 has been nerfed long ago and even in former days I couldn't pull the +9 cancel off. I still think that amon all nerfs this one hit him the hardest.
Right now pretty much every cancel is like +1-3.

Propably 12 and b2 offer the most plusframes that can actually be made use of.
 
from what many top players have told me, nothing jails, S4 does but it has to much pushback to be viable.

then they said he don't need it, he is very strong and viable how he is.
Ah ok thanks, so top players along with weak players like me can do without the plasma cancel them right? Since most say you can't really jail anyways? So what can we use the cancel for? Thanks.
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
Ah ok thanks, so top players along with weak players like me can do without the plasma cancel them right? Since most say you can't really jail anyways? So what can we use the cancel for? Thanks.
you use it for mixups, i mean they can't armor every single time you do it. and they have to make a read that you will do it. otherwise there is not enough time for them to see it happen, see the opening and Armor the gap. its also a viable way to makle Unsafe moves Safe.