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GAV

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I was with you up until this part. Is this the same MKX where everyone has a run button, jump ins are ridiculous, and mobility is at all time high with advancings and slides/teleports/divekicks/air dashs/whatever else, and fast advancing armors? I think you'll find practically everyone has multiple tools for dealing with zoning in MKX
You haven't played SFV, huh?

I'm not trying to change MKX. I'm just pointing out the differences in the two games.
 

God Confirm

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You haven't played SFV, huh?

I'm not trying to change MKX. I'm just pointing out the differences in the two games.
SFV? nope, never heard of it.



It's irrelevant though because the statement I responded to were about MKX, not about SFV. If you think characters having tools to get around zoning is unique to SFV, and not a thing in MKX, then I don't know what to tell you. You have not been playing the same game as the rest of us for the past 10 months however.
 
There is no doubt the games are different and have different play styles. It is also not up for debate that MKx is a hyper aggressive game relying on pressure play and SF has always been a much more defensive style game relying to footsies and such. It is also imo, not arguable that Sonic defiantly seams to exhibit tendencies that are typical NRS play with his FANG games, that of heavy pressure. Also, imo, this will always result in heavy punishes in the long run.

That being said, getting 10th or whatever it was in Top16 in his first SFV Major is a fantastic start. There is plenty of time for the nuances of SF to be learnt and I am confident that if he wants to learn it he can. It is kinda ridiculous to expect a guy that has spent years playing hyper aggressive games to suddenly play in a completely different way. Even so, he did very well and I expect this is the only beginning. He may even be able to find some kind of middle ground between the hyper aggression play and tactical SF play that is unique and enable even more wins.. who knows.

All I know that the game is like 2 weeks old, and if I got top 10 in a major in that time I would be fucking happy as muck but arguing over Sonic as a player seams silly as he is obviously a great player, and using this top 10 win as an example of him sucking is ridiculous, and also saying that he is going to crush SFV is ridiculous. People are not lying when they say that WB wasn't the most heavy competition (yes there were some greats for sure), but it wasn't even a official part of the capcom pro tour.

Personally I am in Sonic's corner here and I believe that if he enjoys his time playing he can be top tier in the US at least. I also think that some major adjustment in play style will have to happen, well at least I think so. Either way I am very VERY keen to see where he goes and I'll be tuning into his games 4 sure.
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
SFV? nope, never heard of it.



It's irrelevant though because the statement I responded to were about MKX, not about SFV. If you think characters having tools to get around zoning is unique to SFV, and not a thing in MKX, then I don't know what to tell you. You haven't been playing the same game as the rest of us for the past 10 months however.
...but it was a comparison between the two games. I'm not saying zoning is overpowered in MKX. I don't think that. You do have to work to get around it though and you can often-times all-out zone without fear of getting hit back hard. If you play that way in SFV, you're going to eat a big combo.

Once you get a knockdown in MKX, you can run up and force them to push you back to reset their zoning - but zoning is still stronger in MKX than it is in SFV.

Those that have tools to get around zoning like in SFV would have favorable matchups against GM and BS.
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
There is no doubt the games are different and have different play styles. It is also not up for debate that MKx is a hyper aggressive game relying on pressure play and SF has always been a much more defensive style game relying to footsies and such. It is also imo, not arguable that Sonic defiantly seams to exhibit tendencies that are typical NRS play with his FANG games, that of heavy pressure. Also, imo, this will always result in heavy punishes in the long run.

That being said, getting 10th or whatever it was in Top16 in his first SFV Major is a fantastic start. There is plenty of time for the nuances of SF to be learnt and I am confident that if he wants to learn it he can. It is kinda ridiculous to expect a guy that has spent years playing hyper aggressive games to suddenly play in a completely different way. Even so, he did very well and I expect this is the only beginning. He may even be able to find some kind of middle ground between the hyper aggression play and tactical SF play that is unique and enable even more wins.. who knows.

All I know that the game is like 2 weeks old, and if I got top 10 in a major in that time I would be fucking happy as muck but arguing over Sonic as a player seams silly as he is obviously a great player, and using this top 10 win as an example of him sucking is ridiculous, and also saying that he is going to crush SFV is ridiculous. People are not lying when they say that WB wasn't the most heavy competition (yes there were some greats for sure), but it wasn't even a official part of the capcom pro tour.

Personally I am in Sonic's corner here and I believe that if he enjoys his time playing he can be top tier in the US at least. I also think that some major adjustment in play style will have to happen, well at least I think so. Either way I am very VERY keen to see where he goes and I'll be tuning into his games 4 sure.
I want to see Sonic Fox do well in SFV too, but its an uphill battle - and not because of why the SF elitists will say, but because the rules are different for both games. If you learned how fighters work through one, you have a lot of work do to learn the other one - since you have to change your actual thought process.
 

FROST_

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Lol he say even though he uses fang ? Like fang is a bad character... Fang is the least study character in the game therefore he should have a advantage. This was a C- to a C skilled sf5 bracket lol and he fchamp n 3k aren't close to the sf5 cream of the crop. So 9th place here wouldn't even be too 32 in a evo setting with people like Momochi, Daigo, poongko, 801strider, k Brad, gamerbee, Alex Valle, and etc so y'all can get the it's his first tournament excuse out your heads. He had the same time of learning the game as the others. He wouldn't join this tournament and waste time if he wasn't trying to win it all for a check. This shows that mkx fundamentals are complete garbage compare to sf5 let alone tekken. So my point was proven with common sense and a opinion that was turned into fact. So once again Capcom is better than nrs. And I'm neutral FGC player. Oh and another thing stop D riding sonic please it's a bad look for the MK community.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Fundamentals aren't garbage in either game, to say MK X is easy is wrong and dumb flat out. SFV is new and already said by many people that it's easier than SFIV in some ways, Capcom admitted they wanted it to be accessible to casuals, which is smart since casuals again outnumber the hardcore, tournament players like us on TYM and those on SNK. Do people not realize this? People are also bringing up Tekken now? Please that series is dead and forgotten compared to MK and SF and hell even Smash...

Honestly both games take skill to win in, improve they're just different but obviously require skill.

It's like driving a corvette and a mustang say, both require skill to drive at a higher level understanding how they work, drift, handle etc but are different in execution.
 
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Jynks

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So my point was proven with common sense and a opinion that was turned into fact. So once again Capcom is better than nrs. And I'm neutral FGC player. Oh and another thing stop D riding sonic please it's a bad look for the MK community.
what is wrong with the world when douche bag negative asshats who do nothing but tear people down think they are cool and people that support and encourage people in their community are ostracised as fanboys.

if people like you spent just a little time being constructive instead of tearing people this community would be better off.
 

Juggs

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SonicFox looked nervous for the first time ever. It seemed like he was worried about people bashing him if he lost. He jumped so many times it was hard to watch. He couldn't really get anything going.

This was one tournament though, and one of the first too. SF will get better with experience, and personally I don't think he should use Fang but it's whatever.
 
Lol he say even though he uses fang ? Like fang is a bad character... Fang is the least study character in the game therefore he should have a advantage. This was a C- to a C skilled sf5 bracket lol and he fchamp n 3k aren't close to the sf5 cream of the crop. So 9th place here wouldn't even be too 32 in a evo setting with people like Momochi, Daigo, poongko, 801strider, k Brad, gamerbee, Alex Valle, and etc so y'all can get the it's his first tournament excuse out your heads. He had the same time of learning the game as the others. He wouldn't join this tournament and waste time if he wasn't trying to win it all for a check. This shows that mkx fundamentals are complete garbage compare to sf5 let alone tekken. So my point was proven with common sense and a opinion that was turned into fact. So once again Capcom is better than nrs. And I'm neutral FGC player. Oh and another thing stop D riding sonic please it's a bad look for the MK community.
I kinda agree but I have to point out k Brad was in that tournament and he was eliminated by a player fox sent to losers.
 

d3v

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Damn sonicfox was super nervous!
Spooky and ChrisHu pretty much break down what SonicFox was doing wrong. Stuff like going in when he should just let the poison do its work, especially on a guy like Champ who's known for having great defense.
 

FROST_

KH | DsV BLOODxGOD
what is wrong with the world when douche bag negative asshats who do nothing but tear people down think they are cool and people that support and encourage people in their community are ostracised as fanboys.

if people like you spent just a little time being constructive instead of tearing people this community would be better off.
No the community would be better if people like you would stop dick riding some other player on TYM or mku and level up your self to beat said person. Also if people like you don't like my facts that I clearly bring up 95% of mkx players than shut up and don't reply.

I kinda agree but I have to point out k Brad was in that tournament and he was eliminated by a player fox sent to losers.
Yeah but I don't know how much time K Brad spent on this game Ik he was playing sf4 a lot as show by him being 1st place in that game. But to lose to Cdjr n whoelse? Is not something bad. He could bounce back and win the next tournament or place top 3-8 we have seen it countless times before. And I'm glad someone else has a open mind and not brainwashed to suck sonic dick
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
Lol he say even though he uses fang ? Like fang is a bad character... Fang is the least study character in the game therefore he should have a advantage. This was a C- to a C skilled sf5 bracket lol and he fchamp n 3k aren't close to the sf5 cream of the crop. So 9th place here wouldn't even be too 32 in a evo setting with people like Momochi, Daigo, poongko, 801strider, k Brad, gamerbee, Alex Valle, and etc so y'all can get the it's his first tournament excuse out your heads. He had the same time of learning the game as the others. He wouldn't join this tournament and waste time if he wasn't trying to win it all for a check. This shows that mkx fundamentals are complete garbage compare to sf5 let alone tekken. So my point was proven with common sense and a opinion that was turned into fact. So once again Capcom is better than nrs. And I'm neutral FGC player. Oh and another thing stop D riding sonic please it's a bad look for the MK community.
SFV is a much simpler game to me since I've played a lot more SF than MK.

MKX is a much simpler game to most of the guys here because they have played more MK than SF.

What is simpler is based upon what you learned on because playing the other game forces you to not only change your approach, but your way of thinking.

What Sonic Fox did was tremendous and by you putting down NRS because he didn't win only shows your short-sightedness.
 

FROST_

KH | DsV BLOODxGOD
SFV is a much simpler game to me since I've played a lot more SF than MK.

MKX is a much simpler game to most of the guys here because they have played more MK than SF.

What is simpler is based upon what you learned on because playing the other game forces you to not only change your approach, but your way of thinking.

What Sonic Fox did was tremendous and by you putting down NRS because he didn't win only shows your short-sightedness.
I'm not putting down nrs 99% yall misinterpreted the statement n facts I shown and proven that just because sonic is one the best mkx players doesn't mean he will instantly clean up sf5 community too. I would go to more tournaments but I can't because high school n work.
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
I'm not putting down nrs 99% yall misinterpreted the statement n facts I shown and proven that just because sonic is one the best mkx players doesn't mean he will instantly clean up sf5 community too. I would go to more tournaments but I can't because high school n work.
I read your posts. You can only backtrack by taking back what you said. You've shown no facts. Only uninformed, one-sided judgments.

If you're going to speak on two things, you should know about both things you are talking about. Otherwise, your ignorance becomes very obvious to everyone who knows both sides - even if it isn't obvious to you.
 

FROST_

KH | DsV BLOODxGOD
I read your posts. You can only backtrack by taking back what you said. You've shown no facts. Only uninformed, one-sided judgments.

If you're going to speak on two things, you should know about both things you are talking about. Otherwise, your ignorance becomes very obvious to everyone who knows both sides - even if it isn't obvious to you.
You must like sonic dick? Gtf off my line I'm done talking to you TYM Warriors. I can go on any capcom site and not see a post where they dick ride one person like got damn do y'all get tired of dick riding one person?
 
You must like sonic dick? Gtf off my line I'm done talking to you TYM Warriors. I can go on any capcom site and not see a post where they dick ride one person like got damn do y'all get tired of dick riding one person?
The RAGE!!!!!!!! :DOGE
 
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Cameronwinss

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It's sonic he's just a really good player....so I mean. They will still probably say MK players suck, just not Sonic.
 
It's sonic he's just a really good player....so I mean. They will still probably say MK players suck, just not Sonic.
The problem is that in SF 5 people are saying he sucks too. And well I guess only if he sticks with SF will he eventually have a chance of being a top player in the Capcom world. I say just have fun and play what you want, both games are amazing and both take skill to compete.
 
The problem is that in SF 5 people are saying he sucks too. And well I guess only if he sticks with SF will he eventually have a chance of being a top player in the Capcom world. I say just have fun and play what you want, both games are amazing and both take skill to compete.
I don't think anyone that matters says sonic sucks at sfv, but he's probably somewhere in the lower top 100 Americans which would probably put him outside the top 500 in the world. That's still ridiculously good, but for fox it sucks. That's the problem with dominating as heavily as he does, if you ever stop being the best morons will say you suck.

I'm interested to see if fox sticks with it and grinds it out. He has potential to be a legit sfv threat but as of right now he's an above average tournament player.
 
I don't think anyone that matters says sonic sucks at sfv, but he's probably somewhere in the lower top 100 Americans which would probably put him outside the top 500 in the world. That's still ridiculously good, but for fox it sucks. That's the problem with dominating as heavily as he does, if you ever stop being the best morons will say you suck.

I'm interested to see if fox sticks with it and grinds it out. He has potential to be a legit sfv threat but as of right now he's an above average tournament player.
I agree 100% with you, in SF he's definately above average which when you consider no really top SF player actually entered this tournament then you have even more questions, but that's for the rest of the players that didn't make top 8 not only for sonicfox. He dominates MK, SF is a different beast altogether. Who knows where he'll rank if he keeps playing, but at the same time who knows where the guy that got 4th place will rank if he keeps playing? My point is that it's just fun to watch these guys play. I wish I had the skill of the guy that got last place to be honest.
 

Matix218

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I agree 100% with you, in SF he's definately above average which when you consider no really top SF player actually entered this tournament then you have even more questions, but that's for the rest of the players that didn't make top 8 not only for sonicfox. He dominates MK, SF is a different beast altogether. Who knows where he'll rank if he keeps playing, but at the same time who knows where the guy that got 4th place will rank if he keeps playing? My point is that it's just fun to watch these guys play. I wish I had the skill of the guy that got last place to be honest.
Well lbsh, you probably have the skill of the guy who finished last place at wb :DOGE