Tech KILLER FROST - Meterless Vortex Setup

[Deezxnutz]

Wake-Up D2 should stuff her in theory.

D2 is too slow to stop any of her options during the reset

 

[RiBBz22]

Wake-Up D2 should stuff her in theory.

No, it has to be an attack with wakeup properties because Frost will be inputting her 50-50 before your active frames start when you are getting off the ground.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Her b1 is 18 frames. F3 is 19 slide is 21. So as far as mixup b1 and f3 will be your go tos from the range of the untechable u3. I just hit the lab against scorpion and set his wakeups to random. I don't believe the shorter combos Have any benefit really but what they do is give the opponent more opportunities to do wakeups and more opportunities to guess right on a block. Also some characters have wakeups that I don't think KF can even do anything but block like supermoves, flashes bf2 or shazams torpedo. There are more I'm sure but you get the idea. I think when fighting these characters the metered vortex would be the way to go. I'm almost considering doing a wakeup punishing guide

Slide isn't 21f. Its around 15

 

[The PantyChrist]

Data says 21. I know it's wrong on some moves though. But do you know what patch they removed armor on wakeup slide? Batman b1'ed me out of it on wake up. Which sucks because this is really her only good wakeup. Or unless I just got hit at a weird frame. Also it sucks his slide beats KF's

 

[ApocaLips]

Data says 21.

Early tests confirmed this to be wrong. Surprised they haven't fixed it.

You don't use meterless vortex as your go-to mixup. You use it when (a) you don't have meter or (b) you're fighting aquaman.

It's still extremely important - without it, people could take bigger risks vs. a meterless KF knowing the punish wouldn't be severe. And it's still stronger than most oki games.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Data says 21. I know it's wrong on some moves though. But do you know what patch they removed armor on wakeup slide? Batman b1'ed me out of it on wake up. Which sucks because this is really her only good wakeup. Or unless I just got hit at a weird frame. Also it sucks his slide beats KF's

It never had armor

 

[ApocaLips]

Data says 21. I know it's wrong on some moves though. But do you know what patch they removed armor on wakeup slide? Batman b1'ed me out of it on wake up. Which sucks because this is really her only good wakeup. Or unless I just got hit at a weird frame. Also it sucks his slide beats KF's

It never had armor

I think he means invincibility. It still has it. If you got hit out of slide, you either (1) were hit by an OTG move or (2) input the slide too late.

I think Batman's b1 might be able to otg, but I haven't seen it used that way in a long time. I remember before the patch that made wakeups easier to input after hard knockdown, Batmans stopped the noob tactic of repeated b112s. If you're still getting blown up by that, just block. There's no mixups there, and it leaves him at -4.

 

[The PantyChrist]

Yeah good to know. I never liked the Kf batman mu

 

[ApocaLips]

What I just talked about is irrelevant to the MU. It's something only new players do. Better players won't give up frame advantage like that.

 

[The PantyChrist]

I meant I personally don't like the mu. But the batman was able to b1 me twice that match. The first time mid wakeup and the second after I slid about sweep distance

 

[RM Truth]

Yeah good to know. I never liked the Kf batman mu

Love you too :3

 

[The PantyChrist]

Love you too :3

It was on Xbl. It wasn't you unless you got Xbox and changed your gt to Merk224

 

[RM Truth]

It was on Xbl. It wasn't you unless you got Xbox and changed your gt to Merk224

I'm talking about how I bodied you at Ghost Battle Series. :3

 

[The PantyChrist]

Hhhmm well I am new to the tournament scene. So basically The PantyChrist is bracket booster tier