Should testers be excluded from competing in the first few tournaments of the game?

[Mr Aquaman]

As someone with an extreme plan for when MKX is released, I desire to hear what the community thinks about testers competing with us normal guys that are just learning the game. With a large amount of money on the line, is it truly fair? Or should they be allowed the advantage?

Discuss

 

[Awkward Sloth]

As long as they give out all the tech/BS they find/info/juicy stuff to us beforehand so the rest of us aren't at a huge disadvantage. I'd be fine with it.

Also they have to play with one hand tied behind their back.

 

[Zyphox]

it Depends, Testers that have been playing the game as a job AKA 16 bit should be excluded for atleast the first month. testers that go for a week to test is where i'm iffy on, because it wouldn't be fair to bit and ppj etc but at the same time a week with the game early on isn't that much of an advantage, its like going to every expo that hold mkx like @Doombawkz ( <3 ) and just playing the shit out of the game early, like those beta testers. i think the cut off date for testers longer than a pre determined set off time should be a month, what that pre determined set of time is the question.

 

[WakeUp DP]

I would say no, just to see high level gameplay on stream but I dont go to tournaments so my opinion dont matter.

 

[Mr Aquaman]

I would say no, just to see high level gameplay on stream but I dont go to tournaments so my opinion dont matter.

I see where seeing high level play comes into play, but what if a substantial pot was on the line? Why should guys pay to enter a tournament where they are already a year behind(or whatever)?

 

[Amplified$hotz]

It depends. Does winning tournaments at the beginning of the games life matter that much to people?

 

[Eldriken]

It depends. Does winning tournaments at the beginning of the games life matter that much to people?

I don't think the first few tournaments of a new game should hold much weight, if any at all. The competition isn't strong enough to try and brag about winning the first tournament of a newly released game. "Dur hur, I beat all the newbs because I've been testing the game for 6+ months. Bow before me."

 

[WakeUp DP]

I see where seeing high level play comes into play, but what if a substantial pot was on the line? Why should guys pay to enter a tournament where they are already a year behind(or whatever)?

Yeah you are right. Thats why I said I would want them to play but I dont go to tournaments lol

 

[WakeUp DP]

It depends. Does winning tournaments at the beginning of the games life matter that much to people?

Well like MrAquaman said, it matters because you are putting money out of your pocket to travel and to enter the tournaments!

 

[Mr Aquaman]

I don't think the first few tournaments of a new game should hold much weight, if any at all. The competition isn't strong enough to try and brag about winning the first tournament of a newly released game. "Dur hur, I beat all the newbs because I've been testing the game for 6+ months. Bow before me."

It depends. Does winning tournaments at the beginning of the games life matter that much to people?

Money

That's why.

I know first hand more than most.

 

[@MylesWright_]

It wouldn't make a difference. Testers like Krayzie and Sabin would still be bad even if testing gave them an advantage

 

[coolwhip]

OK let's make things simpler and see how things will work out in practicality instead of all this theory fighting:

MKX will be released in April. The two QA's are GGA 16 Bit and GGA Pimpimjim. Those are the two guys who by then would have been working on the game for a year or so. These guys live in Chicago. There will be no majors in Chicago during that time (is there a replacement for UFGT? If there is, that's a month into the game's life span anyway). Since these guys will not be going to East Coast majors for well-documented reasons, you have nothing to worry about. By the time CEO rolls along, that would be two months into the game's life, which is pretty reasonable for them to travel and participate. If you can't level up in two months, then you're not losing because of the testers. You're just not that good (that's a general "you" here. I'm not addressing anyone in particular).

As far as other testers, the ones who are flown in for a week or so, I would say they should probably sit out for the first couple of weeks into the game's life span. So for instance, testers who happen to live on the East Coast would participate in ECT, but not Civil War. There, problem solved.

@Mr Aquaman Does that sound fair? If so, let's start pushing this idea.

 

[Tony at Home]

Hard to say...

Do I want to exclude testers from tournaments? Hell no. I'd rather watch people experienced with the game in grand finals rather than see a mess of dropped combos and people who hardly understand matchups.

But would it be fair? Course not. They have an unfair advantage and it doesn't make sense they have a better shot at the money.

You need to understand that from a stream viewer perspective, there's really no advantage in banning testers though. We get to see more cool stuff if they play, and we aren't losing out on any monetary winnings so we don't care about fairness. Even I will try to make it to as many early tournaments as I can- but knowing I'll probably get bodied no matter what- I can't say I really care if I get bodied because that person tested the game.

 

[Mr Aquaman]

OK let's make things simpler and see how things will work out in practicality instead of all this theory fighting:

MKX will be released in April. The two QA's are GGA 16 Bit and GGA Pimpimjim. Those are the two guys who would have been playing the game for a year or so. These guys live in Chicago. There will be no majors in Chicago during that time (is there a replacement for UFGT? If there is, that's a month into the game's life span anyway). Since these guys will not be going to East Coast majors for well-documented reasons, you have nothing to worry about. By the time CEO rolls along, that would be two months into the game's life, which is pretty reasonable for them to travel and participate. If you can't level up in two months, then you're not losing because of the testers. You're just not that good (that's a general "you" here. I'm not addressing anyone in particular).

As far as other testers, the ones who are flown in for a week or so, I would say they should probably sit out for the first couple of weeks into the game's life span. So for instance, testers who happen to live on the East Coast would participate in ECT, but not Civil War. There, problem solved.

@Mr Aquaman Does that sound fair? If so, let's start pushing this idea.

Civil War is no more. I am asking because there will be something where they can compete, only a month into the game. Don't ask about it either.

Is it fair to ask guys to compete in MKX say a month into the game with testers present?

 

[Eldriken]

Civil War is no more. I am asking because there will be something where they can compete, only a month into the game. Don't ask about it either.

Is it fair to ask guys to compete in MKX say a month into the game with testers present?

Of course it's not fair. Not to the people entering the tournament who aren't testers, anyway. But like Tony at Home said, stream viewers are less likely to care because they want to see hype Grand Finals instead of people button mashing.

 

[Jimmypotato]

Testers no,

NRS employees, yes

 

[coolwhip]

Civil War is no more. I am asking because there will be something where they can compete, only a month into the game. Don't ask about it either.

Is it fair to ask guys to compete in MKX say a month into the game with testers present?

Yes, I'd say a month into the game, it's fair game. I'm not saying everybody would then be on equal ground, but a month is plenty of time to get familiar with the game's mechanics, start getting acquainted with your character, etc... Because otherwise, where's the drop off? EVO? Beyond EVO?

And again, asking simply whether "testers should be banned" is a bit vague and will lead us nowhere. I think we should separate between QA's and the testers who are only there for a week or so (or more, if they end up staying longer there this time), and we should also define "banned" by explaining just how long "banned" is.

EDIT: Please, in order to give this thread a remote chance of being productive, everyone in favor of a banning testers, can you please specify for how long. Have something concrete. It's better that way.

 

[coolwhip]

Plus, isn't one of the testers already "banned"? Har har har. Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[orochiDragon]

Money

That's why.

I know first hand more than most.

If Ares wasn't a bum you would be singing a different tune lol .

 

[Mr Aquaman]

Yes, I'd say a month into the game, it's fair game. I'm not saying everybody would then be on equal ground, but a month is plenty of time to get familiar with the game's mechanics, start getting acquainted with your character, etc... Because otherwise, where's the drop off? EVO? Beyond EVO?

And again, asking simply whether "testers should be banned" is a bit vague and will lead us nowhere. I think we should separate between QA's and the testers who are only there for a week or so (or more, if they end up staying longer there this time), and we should also define "banned" by explaining just how long "banned" is.

EDIT: Please, in order to give this thread a remote chance of being productive, everyone in favor of a banning testers, can you please specify for how long. Have something concrete. It's better that way.

Analyzing what is pretty simple, should I want to pay to guarantee my loss? lol

Injustices History, first 3 majors
Reo/Brady/ChrisG/
Brady/Reo/Chris G/ Jr (YO UL)
Chris G/Wound/Sabin/Slips

and this was the first 2 months before evo?

TESTERS

 

[Eldriken]

Yes, I'd say a month into the game, it's fair game. I'm not saying everybody would then be on equal ground, but a month is plenty of time to get familiar with the game's mechanics, start getting acquainted with your character, etc... Because otherwise, where's the drop off? EVO? Beyond EVO?

And again, asking simply whether "testers should be banned" is a bit vague and will lead us nowhere. I think we should separate between QA's and the testers who are only there for a week or so (or more, if they end up staying longer there this time), and we should also define "banned" by explaining just how long "banned" is.

EDIT: Please, in order to give this thread a remote chance of being productive, everyone in favor of a banning testers, can you please specify for how long. Have something concrete. It's better that way.

I wouldn't have them banned for long. Maybe just the first tournament and possibly the second (depending on how far away the second one is from the first). But I'd say the first at most. After that, people will have had plenty of time to come to terms with the game and possibly discover tech.

 

[xKhaoTik]

@Mr Aquaman lolwut you weren't a tester and you made top 8 at the first IGAU major. Yea, a tester won, but you showed that new players can still compete.

Then others started making top 8 in just a couple months into the games life, and they weren't testers.

A tester didnt win EVO either.


Personally, Idgaf. We go in to these early majors knowing that people who have been testing the game will be there. That's our fault for entering and we can't be mad at anyone else but ourselves.

Plus its hype seeing high level play at such an early stage. Remember Civil War last year and REO's Batman? That was hype af lol

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Only if they are paid by NRS to be there and show off the game pre and post tourney. and commentate.

It wood be fun to have a big major that was deemed the "tourney where testers compete". Only a month or ak is needed

If that can't happen then let them play.

 

[Mr Aquaman]

@Mr Aquaman lolwut you weren't a tester and you made top 8 at the first IGAU major. Yea, a tester won, but you showed that new players can still compete.

Then others started making top 8 in just a couple months into the games life, and they weren't testers.

A tester didnt win EVO either.


Personally, Idgaf. We go in to these early majors knowing that people who have been testing the game will be there. That's our fault for entering and we can't be mad at anyone else but ourselves.

Plus its hype seeing high level play at such an early stage. Remember Civil War last year and REO's Batman? That was hype af lol

@xKhaoTik on MKX release

;]

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

They should be banned from competing in any release date tournaments. I believe it'll only take a week to understand the mechanics of the game. The meta won't be developed until months after release. Bits (only tester I know of, just using him as an example) only advantage would be combos and tech, also vague match up knowledge seeing as itll take more than a few testers to figure out the meta. My opinion, ban them from the release date tournaments, and after that its all game.