Guide Rain Frame Data

Discussion in 'Rain' started by Somberness, Oct 9, 2011.

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  1. Somberness

    Somberness Lights Premium Supporter

    How to understand this.
    Execution
    1 - 10
    1,1 - 17
    1,2 - 11
    1,2,F+4 - 16
    2 - 11
    2,4 - 21
    3 - 9
    3,3 - 9
    3,3,4 - 24
    4 - 10
    4,3 - 14
    4,3,B+4 - 19
    D+1 - 6
    D+2 - 14
    D+3 - 7
    D+4 - 12
    B+1 - 22
    B+2 - 17
    B+2,1+2 - 25
    B+2,3 - 10
    B+3 - 13
    B+4 - 16
    Throw - 10
    Super Kick - 30-92
    Water Bubble - 26
    Water Bubble (full screen) - 52
    Geyser Kick - 17
    Lightning - 24
    Aqua Splash - 20
    Aqua-Port - 28
    Aqua-Port (air, minimum) - 19
    Power Kick - 30-92
    Hydro Bubble - 26
    Hydro Bubble (full screen) - 52
    Thermal Spring - 17
    Thunder Storm - 24
    Aqua Blast - 14
    Rain Check - 24

    Block Advantage
    1 - 0
    1,1 - -8
    1,2 - 0
    1,2,F+4 - -1
    2 - 0
    2,4 - 0
    3 - -12
    3,3 - -8
    3,3,4 - -3
    4 - -4
    4,3 - -3
    4,3,B+4 - -4
    D+1 - -13
    D+2 - +4
    D+3 - -12
    D+4 - 0
    B+1 - -5
    B+2 - -13
    B+2,1+2 - -4
    B+2,3 - -10
    B+3 - -7
    B+4 - -6
    Super Kick - -3
    Water Bubble - -35
    Geyser Kick - -10
    Lightning - -23
    Aqua Splash - -2
    Aqua-Port - -12
    Power Kick - -3
    Hydro Bubble - -35
    Thermal Spring - -12
    Thunder Storm - -5
    Aqua Blast - -2
    Rain Check - -11

    Hit Advantage
    1 - 0
    1,1 - +4
    1,2 - 0
    1,2,F+4 - +72, +40
    2 - 0
    2,4 - +5
    3 - +5
    3,3 - +2
    3,3,4 - +45, +28
    4 - +3
    4,3 - -1
    4,3,B+4 - +42, +31
    D+1 - +1
    D+1 (vs crouch) - -1
    D+2 - +37, +30
    D+3 - -2
    D+3 (vs crouch) - +5
    D+4 - +12
    D+4 (vs crouch) - +5
    B+1 - 0
    B+2 - +1
    B+2,1+2 - +52, +51
    B+2,3 - +28, +22
    B+3 - +42, +24
    B+4 - +17, +14
    Forward Throw - +21, +20
    Backward Throw - +21, +20
    Super Kick - +70, +59
    Water Bubble - +12-+27
    Geyser Kick - +61, +27
    Lightning - +88, +76
    Aqua Splash - -1
    Aqua-Port - +54, +21
    Power Kick - +70, +59
    Hydro Bubble - +12-+27
    Thermal Spring - +59, +25
    Thunder Storm - +93, +82
    Aqua Blast - -1
    Rain Check - +63, +52

    Duration
    1 - 22
    1,1 - 63
    1,2 - 40
    1,2,F+4 - 66
    2 - 27
    2,4 - 58
    3 - 41
    3,3 - 51
    3,3,4 - 79
    4 - 41
    4,3 - 56
    4,3,B+4 - 78
    D+1 - 25
    D+2 - 47
    D+3 - 25
    D+4 - 33
    B+1 - 55
    B+2 - 57
    B+2,1+2 - 67
    B+2,3 - 56
    B+3 - 47
    B+4 - 48
    Throw - 36
    Water-Port - 34-43 (12-21 in front, 22 behind)
    Super Kick - 23-122 (60 no hold/cancel)
    Water Bubble - 88
    Geyser Kick - 54
    Lightning - 66
    Aqua Splash - 46
    H2O Boost - 53
    Aqua-Port - 56-65 (12-21 in front, 44 behind)
    Power Kick - 12-122 (60 no hold/cancel)
    Hydro Bubble - 88
    Thermal Spring - 54
    Thunder Storm - 66
    Aqua Blast - 45
    H2O Buff - 53
    Rain Check - 62

    Cancel Advantage (block)
    1 - +19
    1,1 - +24
    1,2 - +20
    2 - +25
    2,4 - +22
    3 - +15
    3,3 - +18
    4 - +25
    4,3 - +25
    D+1 - +1
    D+3 - +2
    D+4 - +26
    B+2 - +25

    Cancel Advantage (hit)
    1 - +25
    1,1 - +36
    1,2 - +26
    2 - +24
    2,4 - +24
    3 - +32
    3,3 - +28
    4 - +32
    4,3 - +27
    D+1 - +15
    D+1 (vs crouch) - +13
    D+3 - +12
    D+3 (vs crouch) - +19
    D+4 - +32
    D+4 (vs crouch) - +25
    B+2 - +39

    Miscellaneous
    Breaker (when grounded vs grounded opponent) - ~+15, ~+13
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  2. Hmm, good job!

    in another thread in the rain section someone said that his D1 is 5 frames, so i quess he was wrong.

    his 3 into RH combo's right?

    Thanks alot.
  3. Marcus

    Marcus Reppin' MK Philippines / Injustice Philippines

    Thank you sir
  4. [MENTION=3937]XXZ[/MENTION] if you don't mind me asking a favor again, how much advantage does he have off of a D1 on hit? What about his behind teleport thing, is that punishable?
  5. BookBurning

    BookBurning Voidwards

    He actually seems to have more than average, I've noticed this for a long time.

    I'd like to know too XXZ.

    Also a big thank you for doing Rain's frame data, we've needed this for a long time man; great work.
  6. Somberness

    Somberness Lights Premium Supporter

    D1 is +1, which is good. Teleport is -20, I considered where the AI turns around the starting frame.
  7. Crathen

    Crathen Death is my business

    XXZ can you check at how much advantage disadvantage is d3 on block / on hit? ( pleeease )

    If it's +3 on hit Rain should have a guaranteed 3 after it wich would be good.
  8. Somberness

    Somberness Lights Premium Supporter

    -12 for block and -2 for hit. Pretty bad I must say.

    Also, it takes 1 frame extra to do a standing attack from crouch so it would need to be +4.
  9. Somberness

    Somberness Lights Premium Supporter

    Done everything. Uppercut is plus on block, that's funny but expected considering the speed.
  10. xZEPPELIx

    xZEPPELIx Premium Supporter Premium Supporter

    The fuck? Thats terrible lol What is the advantge on hit when it hits a crouching opponent? Seems like you get more frame advantage that way.
  11. quandaghost

    quandaghost kung lao swag walker

    so considering all of this what are this characters frame traps cause i see almost nothing positive on block for him
  12. Brownie

    Brownie Stay Wet <3 Premium Supporter

    You can try to frame trap with an upper cut... but it has a lot a of push back so that's not really a great option. Other wise Rain doesn't really have any frame traps, at least not on block... :p
  13. quandaghost

    quandaghost kung lao swag walker

    so rain is basically a character who needs someone to hit buttons in order to succeed am i right? hmm i think i might really like playing him more now
  14. BookBurning

    BookBurning Voidwards

    Sounds like you're confusing blockstrings with frametraps. Maybe you aren't, but almost all the characters in this game don't really have legitimate frame traps. Atleast outstanding ones besides Cage. Then again if you want to win with any character, relying on frame-traps only more than likely won't work.

    So to answer your question. I guess?
  15. quandaghost

    quandaghost kung lao swag walker

    i was just wondering like well you know how scorpion has 1,1 1 1,1,1 frame traps does rain have anything like that
  16. Brownie

    Brownie Stay Wet <3 Premium Supporter

    Yeah you definitely mean block strings or pressure strings, because Scorpions 111 string is not a frame trap. Rain has his round house cancels for pressure and mix ups. Check out UsedForGlues Rain guide stickied to the top of the Rain forums. It will tell you all you need to know! :)
  17. THTB

    THTB #BlackRanger Staff Member Lead Moderator

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  18. Noserfatu

    Noserfatu My eyes! The goggles do nothing!

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    Somberness

    Is there any frame data available on RH cancel on block and hit?
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  19. Somberness

    Somberness Lights Premium Supporter

    Now there is, updated it so that you can figure it out. Take the minimum duration (23) and subtract it from the cancel advantage to figure it out. Here it is for his normals on block:
    1 - -4
    1,1 - +1
    1,2 - -3
    2 - +2
    2,4 - -1
    3 - -8
    3,3 - -5
    4 - +2
    4,3 - +2
    D+1 - -22
    D+3 - -21
    D+4 - +3
    B+2 - +2
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  20. AK Smarrgasm

    AK Smarrgasm Based Yellow Shirt Staff Member Moderator

    This is great. So now we know for sure that 4, 43, d4, and b2 are the best RH pressure strings on block. Thanks a lot for finding all this stuff out for us Somberness. This will help sure up a lot of the holes in my rain pressure game.
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  21. Noserfatu

    Noserfatu My eyes! The goggles do nothing!

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  22. NkdSingularity

    NkdSingularity Truth and Ugly

    Somberness, you're invaluable to this community.

    Thank you
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  23. Medina4life

    Medina4life Media Master

    Dude I love you, marry me?
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  24. THTB

    THTB #BlackRanger Staff Member Lead Moderator

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    So Rain actually is +frames on some of his RH cancels. :D
  25. Enenra

    Enenra Go to hell.

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    Nope, marry me. I'm kinkier.

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