Match-up Discussion Pocket Medic - Alternate Character discussion for Smoke Mains

i agree with this

@KT Smith have you ever asked Cdjr why he thinks Smoke beats Sonya. I persnoally feel she gives smoke a lot of problems but CDjr and riu 48 think that smoke wins. @Riu48 do you still feel like Smoke still beats her because i have a hard time seeing how.

thats the real bro team lol

I don't brlieve Jr. thinks it's 5-5 anyore. He stated before he needs someone for Cage and Sonya (Meaning that he most likely thinks that they are bad MU's.

I personally feel as though Sonya is bad, despite what others may think. You could argue 5-5 because of the reset but Sonya still gets 50% Mid screen, a little less than Smoke and his reset (which you won't hit all the time)

Anyways thats just my outlook on it

Don't quote me on the CDjr part, that's just what i'm assuming, i may be wrong.

How can he out footsy her when her D4 has further range and less start-up then our B2? Our SB from that range is risky as hell considering her divekicks, not to mention that a dashing D4 makes SB whiff. And after that D4 we all know whats happening, D4~Military Stance, F1~Kartwheel. More than Smoke can do reliably with chip.

Sure Smoke has some tools but in no way does he out footsy her, i'd say at best he's on par.

yea man, that's sonya 101.

d4 xx MS F1 is the best offensive tool in the game.

( @Death )

I over heard a conversation between riu48 and REO where riu48 was trying to explain to REO why sonya loses to smoke.

REO stops him and goes "there is NOTHING you can say that will convince me that smoke beats sonya" lmao

I think it's slightly in Sonya's favor, but not as bad as Cage or Kung Lao.

Haha yeah i think 6-4 Sonya is about right. (People seem to hate .5's nowadays)

Do you really think Kung Lao is that bad of a MU for Smoke? I must admit i don't have as much Mu experience vs. him as i'd like to, but from who i have fought it seemed pretty even. I'm guessing because of Lao's spin blowing up sb on block, roll and divekick for moving in, and 21212 for meter building while we attempt to pressure him?

Any info you could provide would be much appreciated, thanks.

Hmmm i see. Thanks Frothy.

My main is Smoke, and my secondaries are Freddy and Kenshi, and Kung Lao beats them all. ;_;

Dude, you told me Smoke beats Cage at first. lolol.

Yeah, I have to agree with this. Kung Lao has to be in there too though. Sonya as well (slight advantage imo).

Man, I used to think the Smoke MU with Cage and Sonya was 5-5, but when you play players who know ALL of Smoke's tricks, there's not much to do except try to make your opponent make a mistake. Up close, Smoke is free as hell.

Challenge someone from the FOREVER clan Sonya army, preferably Edgar inc/TOS Nerdd.

@Faded Dreams V : Yes i did say Smoke won, but that was before. MU charts do change, i re-posted mine earlier today with all corrections. (Now i just need to edit Lao)

.... i love .5's

Ok... I've seen people say that Jax loses to Kung Lao.

I say it's about even because their low hit boxes reduce both of their offense so that cancels out. Yea, you can't do many GP's but the point of GP's is to force jumps. KL is going to be jumping around like an asshole anyway.

Regardless, Jax might not be the best against KL but he certainly has more tools and does better in that MU than smoke does.

After watching the CDjr and Maxter casuals where CDjr uses Liu Kang i was inspired (lol) so i am now using Liu. I looked into his bad MU's and he goes 5-5 with Cage, and Sonya and beats Jax. He does lose to KL and Kabal. A third as Jax would be perfect!

Don't fall for the trap! I stopped playing smoke to work on my LK for a month or two and he is a terribly boring character. He's also just not very good. Playing 2 characters with horrible wakeup options is depressing

Edit: Also, I had a better time with my LK against kabal than against jax...

smoke main
kenshi secondary
rain alternate

so I'm flip flopping again to say that Jax is worth knowing just to fight kabal. I honestly think Smoke v Kabal at the highest level is one of the worst MU's in the game.

I am not here to contribute anything worthy. I only want to state that I am very happy that Smoke has difficult match ups vs. Cage, Kabal, and Sonya. These characters are awesome and make my tournament life a lot easier. That is all.

Most players out there usually say smoke as 4 bad MUs and they are Cage, Kabal, Kung Lao and Sonya. Wouldnt Reptile be a good choice. He probably goes even with Cage/Kabal and Kung Lao. Chris Gs Reptile did beat REO a couple monthes ago. That MU cant be that bad for Reptile.

@KT, I dont know if Jax is a good alt for you. Jax loses to Smokes bad MUs such as Cage/Sonya and a lot of people say KL beats Jax or goes even and do you think Jax really beats Kabal? Maybe its just CDJr that beats REO.