Character loyalty is great... When you have a good character.

I think Mileena is A+, or at least A-, besides that, I agree.

Jade is really high. It pays to be black in Mk9.

Cyber is below JADE???

Ironically enough, CSZ is a bad match up for Jade.

Cyber is not nearly that bad. He should be in the same tier as Mil and Quan atleast. Also I feel Sektor may be a tier higher than that. And maybe SZ too. But over all not too bad of a list.

Stryker is at least mid tier.

Not saying he's bad, but I don't think he's in the same tier as guys like Cage (best rushdown) and Freddy (best zoning)

I concur with Kano being D tier sadly

Reo is not a sektor player.
I put him in A- tier.

So it looks like you just lied.

Cage only A+???

"S+ - Kabal
S - Sonya, Kenshi, Jax
A+ - Kung Lao, Johnny Cage, Freddy Krueger
A - Smoke, Kitana, Cyrax
A- - Raiden, Skarlet, Rain, Reptile, Shang Tsung
B+ - Sub-Zero, Sektor, Liu Kang, Ermac
B - Quan Chi, Mileena, Jade
C+ - Cyber Sub-Zero, Nightwolf, Sindel
C - Sheeva, Scorpion, Baraka, Stryker, Noob Saibot
D - Kano"

I think for simplicity:
B+ / B should be consolidated
C+ through D should be consolidated

Kenshi is closer to Kabal than Sonya and Jax are. Kenshi should be above Sonya and Jax.

S1 - Kabal
S2 - Kenshi
A+ - Sonya, Jax, KL, Cage, Freddy, Smoke

Don't care to mention the mezzanine.

I was actually talking about Maxter and yourself winning on the same weekend. I was mostly referring to STH where he said he would place Sektor lower than what Reo did. Awesome Sektor btw.

Move Kenshi and Jade like 2 tiers lower
Kung Lao is like 1 tier lower

Cyrax and Cage should both be in S tier

Move Rain Kano and Sektor up a tier

Move Quan Chi up 2 tiers.

There now I agree with it for the most part

While I like hearing the Rain bits, move Kenshi DOWN? Blasphemy

Idk why everyone is starting to say Kenshi is so good. He's really not. I mean don't get me wrong he is good, but he is not like super top tier up there with Kabal and Sonya and Cage and those guys. Once his meter is gone he is pretty much dead. Once you get on him and pressure him he is pretty much dead lol. You literally have to keep your opponent away the whole game to win with him I think. And there are too many characters with armor and teleports. If Kenshi was THAT good, there would be more than like 2 or 3 Kenshi mainers going to tournaments

I know nothing about Kenshi

@Pig Of The Hut

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. How many other Kenshis are there besides him? lol. He is very hard to use in tournaments, trust me I've tried it

I believe you, I just want to see the discussion and hopefully be educated about it. Idaff about kenshi, I care about Rain and Reptile.

Same can be said about Sonya. Even Cage too. You only see 1 or 2 cages that do well in tournaments cuz they have good fundamentals. Players with bad fundamentals using cage will get exposed. Even Kabal. This logic can be said about any character really.

I have seen alot more Cage and Sonyas than Kenshi lol. I can name at least 3 of each that I have fought alone, but I have never fought nor seen a Kenshi besides Pig of the hut and Blackula. Kenshi is good, but idk why everyone starting to call him top 5. Definitiely not IMO

How could anyone disagree with .5 system ??. Even .5s are still not 100% accurate there is way to many variables to take into account

i know man, i think .5s are better than whole number system for the reasons i said.
i know your not a big fan of bothering with numbers of MUs anyway

Easier said than done. Kenshi is constantly chipping away at your life forcing you to block specials and he gains more meter. His armour is a win/win anyways. You have to risk a cross-over hoping he'a going to armor. Even if you block it the pushback and frame advantage is enough to guarentee another shoulder which pushes you roughly 3/4 screen away -not to mention more meter for Kenshi due to 3 guarenteed hits + whatever he gets from zoning you-. I'm sure you know this but it's just for clarities sake.

Basically his armour being so many hits, having such great speed and hitbox, and frame advantage that allows for another shoulder is huge. Quite possibly the best "get off me move" in the game along with Rain's Ex RoundHouse and a few others.

His footsies are top-notch. Shoulder handles literally everything man, and the pushback sends you right back into that zoning range he loves. Your forced to block a shoulder or two and once you do start blocking he can go low / mid and even if you fuzzy it or guess correctly he plays another mix-up between the shoulder follow-up or just block into counter poke. You think he's gonna shoulder you atter and you pole he counter pokes you with a shoulder, bam back into zoning range. You sit there and resoect it he's pushed you away and you're screwed. It's liks a double mix-up. You have to expect that shoulder while your advancing and it just allows for plenty of free pressuring opportunities. Kenshi has solid strings to add on to this. (F21B2, F32, B2, 21, etc.)

Pig could explain better than i could of course. Basically his ability to have constant meter and ALWAYS be a threat regardless of what range you're at, coupled with that godlike armour and you have yourself a top tier character. Oh and his solid footsies!

(side-note, he also has a reflect -_- lol)