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Match-up Discussion My Cyrax Matchup Chart, I expect a lot of criticism =)

SatsuiYesHadou

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cyrax rapes scorp 7-3 its bad scorp cant trade at all cant make any mistakes. cyrax can abuse his hitbox so easily. i have a too much scorp exp against one of the best scorps i know scorpion. it's a pretty easy match for rax. kano is definitely a 7-3 in cyrax's favor. I hace lots of kano experience too because we basically play about the whole cast here in vegas. kano can never trade can make any mistakes. cyrax can make many of course. Not trying to blow you up maxter but Kano winning vs your rax? Just doesn't seem believeable to me. I would have to play j360's kano. I think the match is like playing sub vs kano. It's just too easy for rax in my opionion. Kano has a pretty big hitbox that can be abused by rax. Kano doesn't stand a chance vs rax no matter how much you know about rax you're not winning with kano. I just play that match too smart to lose to kano. Kano just sucks no offense to any kano players out there. I agree with the sub mu. sub can turtle rax if he gets the lead. that mu is almost 5-5 I think. Of course cyrax has no armor so sub can destroy rax in the corner. I think it's a lame match almost 5-5. I can agree with 6-4 rax I have a lot of experience in that match. Rax vs lui kang I think is 5-5. it's like cage vs lui. rax has to get in. lui has to keep him out. Cyrax vs lui is a pure footsies fight. If you don't know a lui that plays a lot of footsie like my bro, it'll be bad for you rax. It's all about patience in that mu. He's building a lot of meter with fireballs etc. You can sometimes get a net when the lui is too fireball happy. If you get in with rax you can abuse that hitbox with cyrax's mixups. got d4, buzzsaw command grab, ex ragdoll, or just do neutral strings. Lui doesn't want cyrax close to him. But lui's ability to keep rax away with footsies and zoning does make it hard with rax. I can agree on 4-6 lui. don't do d1 or d3 to poke out of lui pressure too much because you can be punished with b312 full combo. cyrax can use d4 to keep lui spaced. but if you miss a d4 you can be punished b312 full combo. it's an uphill battle fighting lui with rax. i can agree on jax winning 4-6 vs rax. Johnny cage rax I believe is a solid 5-5. could be in cyrax favor slightly. bombs, d4, d3, buzzsaw, and 1,2 are good footsies tools in this match. of course I can't forget the net. cage rushing in against rax is a 50-50. as cage is approaching cyrax can use d4 making cage come in blocking low. or he can do buzzsaw to mix it up. Cage will have to guess as he is coming in. d1 ex ragdoll is the best thing to get out of pressure. it can't be interupted and hella advantage on cancel. Damage output is huge factor in this match. Cyrax can do mixups on cage if he gets in. It's a patient match. It's pretty similar to sub vs cage. cage doesn't win that match in my opinion. Cyrax vs kit I believe is 4-6 kitana or possibly 5-5. it's a real manageable match vs kit. It's a ground game and kit controls the air. I remember fighting bit at dallas and it came down to the wire with my rax but I jumped. You just can't jump at kit. I feel she does have the advantage because of that zoning. 4-6 kit is agreeable for me. I don't think kabal rax is 7-3. I feel it is 4-6 minimum. I think kabal definitely has the advantage but he is always has to be extremely careful. one or two mistakes and kabal is done. Once rax is in you have to bait that armor all kabals do it. all kabals get random at one point of the fight. Of course they can zone keep rax away build lots of meter. but kabal must not waste that meter or bye bye kabal. I think kabal pressure is good but cyrax can get out of it. I think this match can almost be 5-5. but 4-6 is agreeable to me. not 7-3. I feel baraka vs rax is 7-3 or 6-4. I think 6-4 is more agreeable to me. that d4 raka has plays a big factor. I think it is almost 7-3. 6-4 seems more reasonable. I think rax beats scarlet or almost 5-5. scarlet definitely doesn't want to waste meter. but scarlet can keep him out. got good pressure. I think 5-5 is most agreeable. Reptile I agree is 6-4 rax. Freddy vs rax is 5-5 imo. it could be 6-4 freddy. it's a patient match imo. I think 5-5 is most agreeable. freddy has a juicy hitbox that can be abused if rax gets in. Freddy can never waste meter unless necessary. 5-5 is most agreeable for me. I don't think freddy wins. I have a lot of smoke exp and I feel it is close to 5-5 or 6-4 smoke minimum. Yeah smoke can keep rax away with smoke bombs etc be lame. but smoke doesn't have any chip damage just like cyrax. when cyrax gets in he can do a lot of damage on smoke because of his huge hitbox similar to rax's hitbox. they both can't make mistakes. it's a ground game. nobody can really jump. smoke doesn't have good wakeups so rax can keep pressure on smoke. smoke can definitely keep rax away no doubt. but the match is no where near 7-3. I don't think rax has a 7-3 mu. even the thought of smoke winning 7-3 seems insane. 6-4 is the minimum. it's real close to a 5-5. Rain loses to rax like 6-4 its bad for rain almost a 7-3. Kenshi vs rax is 6-4 imo because kenshi has to stay on his toes never to trade with rax. He can keep rax out good. if rax gets in kenshi hitbox can be abused badly. if you catch kenshi with command grab the mixups are endless with a hitbox that big. I flawlessed pig a round one time with these mixups. not trying to brag or anything i <3:) pig. aka uncle bernie aha. but it can get ugly if rax gets in. kenshi has to keep rax out. I think it is a tossup between 5-5 6-4. I think 6-4 rax but is it a VERY manageable match for kenshi. He just has to play careful. pig's kenshi is the best we always have close fights. It can be 5-5 it's hard for me to tell. I would have to play pig more in this mu. I think vs jade it's 6-4 rax because that glow. almost 7-3 rax. Jade has ways that she can keep rax out if they have good rax experience. just her damage isn't enough vs rax. rax wins the match 6-4 my final decision for that match. Sektor is 5-5 imo. you can't command grab him but footsies help you win the match. sektor keeps rax out good. but one mistake and ggs brah. sektor doesnt really have a good offense except like b3 and missiles etc. d3 buzzsaw and d4 are good for rax in this match nobody can really jump in this match. it can almost be 6-4 sek but I don't think so. I've played my fair share of good sektors and it is 5-5 in my opinion. patience is a key factor in helping rax win a lot of his mu's. Like vs mileena it's about who gets the life lead first and lame it out. 5-5 is agreeable to me. vs shang i think 6-4 is agreeable or 7-3 it is pretty bad for shang. that hitbox can be abused but shang can abuse rax hitbox if he gets in. In my opinion it's 6-4 almost 7-3. i think rax 7-3's csz. just my opinion. csz just stinks and cant phase the yellow death machine. air grab stops all divekicks. d4 and buzzsaw is good tool for a csz trying to abuse parry. possibly 6-4 csz too. Kl i believe rax wins 6-4 but 5-5 is reasonable too. kung lao can do any teleport mixup or jump because it is automatic air grab. no mistakes for kl. kl cant waste meter. kl playing defensive and on the ground is the best thing to go vs rax. a ki trying to play over aggressive vs rax will lead to a quick death. rax wins it but it is very manageable for kl. I feel cyrax runs through ermac 6-4 almost 7-3 rax. ermac has to keep rax away. ermac has no good offense. defense and zoning is all he can do or be random and get lucky. if rax gets in it's bad for mac. using rax's mixups can demolish ermac. ermac poking out can be blocked and you can continue pressure with rax. bombs can influence ermac to do something dumb like teleport and that equals ggs cyrax wins aha. yeah I think it is 7-3 rax 6-4 minimum. I feel raiden rax could possibly be even 5-5. but after playing bwizz, I feel like rax wins it 6-4 minimum. almost 7-3. bombs can influence raiden to do something. like superman. cyrax can punish normal tele and ex tele just have to look at the meter when he teleports. i think 6-4 imo. i feel sonya does win the mu 6-4 very manageable for rax if he plays it like sub zero. almost 5-5 very close to it. cyrax has to play it defensive to win. i agree with noob losing to rax 6-4. i've played almost all the good noobs. cyrax wins it. sheeva does lose to rax 7-3. i think cyrax beats sindel 6-4. cyrax beats quan 6-4 close to a 5-5. battle of brokeness. I think cyrax brokeness wins the match. i think stryker is 6-4 rax agreeable for me almost 7 3 in my opinion. but 6 4 works best for me.
That's exactly how I see the cage matchup. I'm certain it could go either way if played right I just can't remember exactly how I approached it before once I figured it out. Good stuff denzloc HARA KIRI!!
 

LEGEND

YES!
cyrax rapes scorp 7-3 its bad scorp cant trade at all cant make any mistakes. cyrax can abuse his hitbox so easily. i have a too much scorp exp against one of the best scorps i know scorpion. it's a pretty easy match for rax.

kano is definitely a 7-3 in cyrax's favor. I hace lots of kano experience too because we basically play about the whole cast here in vegas. kano can never trade can make any mistakes. cyrax can make many of course. Not trying to blow you up maxter but Kano winning vs your rax? Just doesn't seem believeable to me. I would have to play j360's kano. I think the match is like playing sub vs kano. It's just too easy for rax in my opionion. Kano has a pretty big hitbox that can be abused by rax. Kano doesn't stand a chance vs rax no matter how much you know about rax you're not winning with kano. I just play that match too smart to lose to kano. Kano just sucks no offense to any kano players out there.

I agree with the sub mu. sub can turtle rax if he gets the lead. that mu is almost 5-5 I think. Of course cyrax has no armor so sub can destroy rax in the corner. I think it's a lame match almost 5-5. I can agree with 6-4 rax I have a lot of experience in that match.

Rax vs lui kang I think is 5-5. it's like cage vs lui. rax has to get in. lui has to keep him out. Cyrax vs lui is a pure footsies fight. If you don't know a lui that plays a lot of footsie like my bro, it'll be bad for you rax. It's all about patience in that mu. He's building a lot of meter with fireballs etc. You can sometimes get a net when the lui is too fireball happy. If you get in with rax you can abuse that hitbox with cyrax's mixups. got d4, buzzsaw command grab, ex ragdoll, or just do neutral strings. Lui doesn't want cyrax close to him. But lui's ability to keep rax away with footsies and zoning does make it hard with rax. I can agree on 4-6 lui. don't do d1 or d3 to poke out of lui pressure too much because you can be punished with b312 full combo. cyrax can use d4 to keep lui spaced. but if you miss a d4 you can be punished b312 full combo. it's an uphill battle fighting lui with rax.

i can agree on jax winning 4-6 vs rax.

Johnny cage rax I believe is a solid 5-5. could be in cyrax favor slightly. bombs, d4, d3, buzzsaw, and 1,2 are good footsies tools in this match. of course I can't forget the net. cage rushing in against rax is a 50-50. as cage is approaching cyrax can use d4 making cage come in blocking low. or he can do buzzsaw to mix it up. Cage will have to guess as he is coming in. d1 ex ragdoll is the best thing to get out of pressure. it can't be interupted and hella advantage on cancel. Damage output is huge factor in this match. Cyrax can do mixups on cage if he gets in. It's a patient match. It's pretty similar to sub vs cage. cage doesn't win that match in my opinion.

Cyrax vs kit I believe is 4-6 kitana or possibly 5-5. it's a real manageable match vs kit. It's a ground game and kit controls the air. I remember fighting bit at dallas and it came down to the wire with my rax but I jumped. You just can't jump at kit. I feel she does have the advantage because of that zoning. 4-6 kit is agreeable for me.

I don't think kabal rax is 7-3. I feel it is 4-6 minimum. I think kabal definitely has the advantage but he is always has to be extremely careful. one or two mistakes and kabal is done. Once rax is in you have to bait that armor all kabals do it. all kabals get random at one point of the fight. Of course they can zone keep rax away build lots of meter. but kabal must not waste that meter or bye bye kabal. I think kabal pressure is good but cyrax can get out of it. I think this match can almost be 5-5. but 4-6 is agreeable to me. not 7-3.

I feel baraka vs rax is 7-3 or 6-4. I think 6-4 is more agreeable to me. that d4 raka has plays a big factor. I think it is almost 7-3. 6-4 seems more reasonable.

I think rax beats scarlet or almost 5-5. scarlet definitely doesn't want to waste meter. but scarlet can keep him out. got good pressure. I think 5-5 is most agreeable.

Reptile I agree is 6-4 rax.

Freddy vs rax is 5-5 imo. it could be 6-4 freddy. it's a patient match imo. I think 5-5 is most agreeable. freddy has a juicy hitbox that can be abused if rax gets in. Freddy can never waste meter unless necessary. 5-5 is most agreeable for me. I don't think freddy wins.

I have a lot of smoke exp and I feel it is close to 5-5 or 6-4 smoke minimum. Yeah smoke can keep rax away with smoke bombs etc be lame. but smoke doesn't have any chip damage just like cyrax. when cyrax gets in he can do a lot of damage on smoke because of his huge hitbox similar to rax's hitbox. they both can't make mistakes. it's a ground game. nobody can really jump. smoke doesn't have good wakeups so rax can keep pressure on smoke. smoke can definitely keep rax away no doubt. but the match is no where near 7-3. I don't think rax has a 7-3 mu. even the thought of smoke winning 7-3 seems insane. 6-4 is the minimum. it's real close to a 5-5.

Rain loses to rax like 6-4 its bad for rain almost a 7-3.

Kenshi vs rax is 6-4 imo because kenshi has to stay on his toes never to trade with rax. He can keep rax out good. if rax gets in kenshi hitbox can be abused badly. if you catch kenshi with command grab the mixups are endless with a hitbox that big. I flawlessed pig a round one time with these mixups. not trying to brag or anything i <3:) pig. aka uncle bernie aha. but it can get ugly if rax gets in. kenshi has to keep rax out. I think it is a tossup between 5-5 6-4. I think 6-4 rax but is it a VERY manageable match for kenshi. He just has to play careful. pig's kenshi is the best we always have close fights. It can be 5-5 it's hard for me to tell. I would have to play pig more in this mu.

I think vs jade it's 6-4 rax because that glow. almost 7-3 rax. Jade has ways that she can keep rax out if they have good rax experience. just her damage isn't enough vs rax. rax wins the match 6-4 my final decision for that match.

Sektor is 5-5 imo. you can't command grab him but footsies help you win the match. sektor keeps rax out good. but one mistake and ggs brah. sektor doesnt really have a good offense except like b3 and missiles etc. d3 buzzsaw and d4 are good for rax in this match nobody can really jump in this match. it can almost be 6-4 sek but I don't think so. I've played my fair share of good sektors and it is 5-5 in my opinion. patience is a key factor in helping rax win a lot of his mu's. Like vs mileena it's about who gets the life lead first and lame it out. 5-5 is agreeable to me.

vs shang i think 6-4 is agreeable or 7-3 it is pretty bad for shang. that hitbox can be abused but shang can abuse rax hitbox if he gets in. In my opinion it's 6-4 almost 7-3.

i think rax 7-3's csz. just my opinion. csz just stinks and cant phase the yellow death machine. air grab stops all divekicks. d4 and buzzsaw is good tool for a csz trying to abuse parry. possibly 6-4 csz too.

Kl i believe rax wins 6-4 but 5-5 is reasonable too. kung lao can't do any teleport mixup or jump because it is automatic air grab. no mistakes for kl. kl cant waste meter. kl playing defensive and on the ground is the best thing to go vs rax. a kl trying to play over aggressive vs rax will lead to a quick death. rax wins it but it is very manageable for kl.

I feel cyrax runs through ermac 6-4 almost 7-3 rax. ermac has to keep rax away. ermac has no good offense. defense and zoning is all he can do or be random and get lucky. if rax gets in it's bad for mac. using rax's mixups can demolish ermac. ermac poking out can be blocked and you can continue pressure with rax. bombs can influence ermac to do something dumb like teleport and that equals ggs cyrax wins aha. yeah I think it is 7-3 rax 6-4 minimum.

I feel raiden rax could possibly be even 5-5. but after playing bwizz, I feel like rax wins it 6-4 minimum. almost 7-3. bombs can influence raiden to do something. like superman. cyrax can punish normal tele and ex tele just have to look at the meter when he teleports. i think 6-4 imo.

i feel sonya does win the mu 6-4 very manageable for rax if he plays it like sub zero. almost 5-5 very close to it. cyrax has to play it defensive to win.

i agree with noob losing to rax 6-4. i've played almost all the good noobs. cyrax wins it.

sheeva does lose to rax 7-3.

i think cyrax beats sindel 6-4.

cyrax beats quan 6-4 close to a 5-5. battle of brokeness. I think cyrax brokeness wins the match.

i think stryker is 6-4 rax agreeable for me almost 7 3 in my opinion. but 6 4 works best for me.
EDITED: Spaced out every character's MU
 

Krayzie

Co-founder
Founder
No offense krayzie this is my match up chart and i take questions and critics from the forums members who are interested on it. don't come to my thread changing my matchup chart, you already had your own thread, let me get the questions and answers here. I waited too long to make this thread and waited for the game to fully develop.
Well you expected criticism, and I gave it. I meant no disrespect, but you are sort of contradicting yourself, pal. :)

About smoke, come fight the lamest of them in NY no money match involved i will only pay you money if you win against kt or CD Jr, i'll force CD jr to main that char like he used to, I promise he will rape any cyraxes out there including mine with that char.

Well I beat Wafflez in tournament. If you are saying that meant nothing, then your beef is with the GGA guys, not me.

Also, not sure if I understood, but are you saying that you will pay me money if I beat KT Smith or Jr? I haven't even seen them use Smoke in a long time. But I'm a competitor, so bring it on, I'm all for it.

that you say about sektor makes no sense at all, sektor got good pokes, even tho d1 on hit is -8 cancelling into flamer is a winner he has a good d4 and fast advancing moves to fight cyrax while cornered, and last resort is an instant ex tu, that video is just a setup on practice mode and its mostly guess and even tho is not, you gotta get him into this setup first, the setup migth be affected by the opponent rolling or not, he can still break the combos and get out just in case if he needs to,
Its not just a set-up in practice mode. I did this with my training partner, Red Reaper who I play almost everyday. We have 3 good Sektors in SoCal, one is Red, the other is Lethal and Wonder Chef. Lets not forget that Sektor originated in SoCal with Sektroll.

can lock down cyrax better in the corner than what cyrax can, i play sektor just in case and we have 3 of the best cyraxes in the country in New york. just because you beat a sektor player in your area doesn't mean that cyrax is in advantage, it might be that you are the better player, there is something called fundamentals you know, and those are that win matchups no tier list. Doing these setups on sektor is the same as going for a 100% damage reset which might never occur on a real match.
100% damage might never occur on a real match? okay... lol

And as for the Sektor comment, read above.

Sonya is still in her favor if you beat one in your area doesnt mean is not, The majority of cyrax players will vote on sonya's favor on this match.
That all i gotta say, much love krayzie <3 but hey!!!! GRRRRRR get out of my thread =)
I beat Showtime's Sonya at MLG.

And I played Riu48 in NY last year for hours at his house.

I cant leave your thread, Maximo! You main my character! :)
 

Maxter

Noob
Well you expected criticism, and I gave it. I meant no disrespect, but you are sort of contradicting yourself, pal. :)




Well I beat Wafflez in tournament. If you are saying that meant nothing, then your beef is with the GGA guys, not me.

Also, not sure if I understood, but are you saying that you will pay me money if I beat KT Smith or Jr? I haven't even seen them use Smoke in a long time. But I'm a competitor, so bring it on, I'm all for it.



Its not just a set-up in practice mode. I did this with my training partner, Red Reaper who I play almost everyday. We have 3 good Sektors in SoCal, one is Red, the other is Lethal and Wonder Chef. Lets not forget that Sektor originated in SoCal with Sektroll.



100% damage might never occur on a real match? okay... lol

And as for the Sektor comment, read above.



I beat Showtime's Sonya at MLG.

And I played Riu48 in NY last year for hours at his house.

I cant leave your thread, Maximo! You main my character! :)
Dude cyrax is my character i picked him first dawg, go back to jade son.
 

Maxter

Noob
Well you expected criticism, and I gave it. I meant no disrespect, but you are sort of contradicting yourself, pal. :)




Well I beat Wafflez in tournament. If you are saying that meant nothing, then your beef is with the GGA guys, not me.

Also, not sure if I understood, but are you saying that you will pay me money if I beat KT Smith or Jr? I haven't even seen them use Smoke in a long time. But I'm a competitor, so bring it on, I'm all for it.



Its not just a set-up in practice mode. I did this with my training partner, Red Reaper who I play almost everyday. We have 3 good Sektors in SoCal, one is Red, the other is Lethal and Wonder Chef. Lets not forget that Sektor originated in SoCal with Sektroll.



100% damage might never occur on a real match? okay... lol

And as for the Sektor comment, read above.



I beat Showtime's Sonya at MLG.

And I played Riu48 in NY last year for hours at his house.

I cant leave your thread, Maximo! You main my character! :)

You are a good player indeed, but don't come to my thread saying a matchup is against or in favor of such character because you beat someone or someone beats you in a tournament, the Great Maloc beat my cyrax with reptile at anaheim and still i put that matchup on cyrax favor, about the sektors, come play my sektor dawg, i'll money match your cyrax at NEC with him
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
I promise you i couldn't beat cd the way he used to play with him, and the dmg here is huge on both depaartments, freddy is a killing machine, idk why m2dave don't use his high dmg combos and 50/50 situations more, sorry for putting you on blast m2dave, your tactics work but still gotta incorporate some combos and rush on freddy, as well as some hit confirm into something else that is not a teleport away. i've seen you losing match cause of this, all freddies just want to run away from cyrax and this is what makes them the pray, freddy should play more hybrid
Freddy's 50/50 mix up leads to 30% of damage without meter. If Cyrax blocks the close spike, he gets at least 80% of damage. Why would any sane Freddy player ever go for this lopsided risk/reward ratio?

I am not wasting any meter on EX spikes for 50/50 mix ups. Not worth doing so versus Cyrax. You need meter for breakers and combos.

Freddy's damage output is hardly huge. Pre-patch Freddy's damage was huge. The only way Freddy can do 50% or more is with a jumping punch.

Cyrax has the advantage in footsies and up close. His pokes are superior to Freddy's and can be hit-confirmed into twice as much damage.

I used to play this match up extensively with Master D. Freddy has to zone very carefully. If I establish a comfortable life lead, I stop zoning and turtle. Freddy can react to everything Cyrax does from a distance. Turtling is difficult in a small stage. That is why I say Freddy has an advantage in larger stages while Cyrax has an advantage in smaller stages.

5:5 match up.
 

Maxter

Noob
Freddy's 50/50 mix up leads to 30% of damage without meter. If Cyrax blocks the close spike, he gets at least 80% of damage. Why would any sane Freddy player ever go for this lopsided risk/reward ratio?

I am not wasting any meter on EX spikes for 50/50 mix ups. Not worth doing so versus Cyrax. You need meter for breakers and combos.

Freddy's damage output is hardly huge. Pre-patch Freddy's damage was huge. The only way Freddy can do 50% or more is with a jumping punch.

Cyrax has the advantage in footsies and up close. His pokes are superior to Freddy's and can be hit-confirmed into twice as much damage.

I used to play this match up extensively with Master D. Freddy has to zone very carefully. If I establish a comfortable life lead, I stop zoning and turtle. Freddy can react to everything Cyrax does from a distance. Turtling is difficult in a small stage. That is why I say Freddy has an advantage in larger stages while Cyrax has an advantage in smaller stages.

5:5 match up.
Señor, freddy has other tools to beat characters beside zoning you are too mind blocked with zoning, you don't go for risky 50/50s without breakers and this is used for comeback factor, also i've never seen you using tear drop vortex much, a lot of characters can fight cyrax up close, i dont know why people are so afraid of him upclose, command grab is not that fearful =)
 

Chongo

Dead Kings Rise
cyrax rapes scorp 7-3 its bad scorp cant trade at all cant make any mistakes. cyrax can abuse his hitbox so easily. i have a too much scorp exp against one of the best scorps i know scorpion. it's a pretty easy match for rax. kano is definitely a 7-3 in cyrax's favor. I hace lots of kano experience too because we basically play about the whole cast here in vegas. kano can never trade can make any mistakes. cyrax can make many of course. Not trying to blow you up maxter but Kano winning vs your rax? Just doesn't seem believeable to me. I would have to play j360's kano. I think the match is like playing sub vs kano. It's just too easy for rax in my opionion. Kano has a pretty big hitbox that can be abused by rax. Kano doesn't stand a chance vs rax no matter how much you know about rax you're not winning with kano. I just play that match too smart to lose to kano. Kano just sucks no offense to any kano players out there. I agree with the sub mu. sub can turtle rax if he gets the lead. that mu is almost 5-5 I think. Of course cyrax has no armor so sub can destroy rax in the corner. I think it's a lame match almost 5-5. I can agree with 6-4 rax I have a lot of experience in that match. Rax vs lui kang I think is 5-5. it's like cage vs lui. rax has to get in. lui has to keep him out. Cyrax vs lui is a pure footsies fight. If you don't know a lui that plays a lot of footsie like my bro, it'll be bad for you rax. It's all about patience in that mu. He's building a lot of meter with fireballs etc. You can sometimes get a net when the lui is too fireball happy. If you get in with rax you can abuse that hitbox with cyrax's mixups. got d4, buzzsaw command grab, ex ragdoll, or just do neutral strings. Lui doesn't want cyrax close to him. But lui's ability to keep rax away with footsies and zoning does make it hard with rax. I can agree on 4-6 lui. don't do d1 or d3 to poke out of lui pressure too much because you can be punished with b312 full combo. cyrax can use d4 to keep lui spaced. but if you miss a d4 you can be punished b312 full combo. it's an uphill battle fighting lui with rax. i can agree on jax winning 4-6 vs rax. Johnny cage rax I believe is a solid 5-5. could be in cyrax favor slightly. bombs, d4, d3, buzzsaw, and 1,2 are good footsies tools in this match. of course I can't forget the net. cage rushing in against rax is a 50-50. as cage is approaching cyrax can use d4 making cage come in blocking low. or he can do buzzsaw to mix it up. Cage will have to guess as he is coming in. d1 ex ragdoll is the best thing to get out of pressure. it can't be interupted and hella advantage on cancel. Damage output is huge factor in this match. Cyrax can do mixups on cage if he gets in. It's a patient match. It's pretty similar to sub vs cage. cage doesn't win that match in my opinion. Cyrax vs kit I believe is 4-6 kitana or possibly 5-5. it's a real manageable match vs kit. It's a ground game and kit controls the air. I remember fighting bit at dallas and it came down to the wire with my rax but I jumped. You just can't jump at kit. I feel she does have the advantage because of that zoning. 4-6 kit is agreeable for me. I don't think kabal rax is 7-3. I feel it is 4-6 minimum. I think kabal definitely has the advantage but he is always has to be extremely careful. one or two mistakes and kabal is done. Once rax is in you have to bait that armor all kabals do it. all kabals get random at one point of the fight. Of course they can zone keep rax away build lots of meter. but kabal must not waste that meter or bye bye kabal. I think kabal pressure is good but cyrax can get out of it. I think this match can almost be 5-5. but 4-6 is agreeable to me. not 7-3. I feel baraka vs rax is 7-3 or 6-4. I think 6-4 is more agreeable to me. that d4 raka has plays a big factor. I think it is almost 7-3. 6-4 seems more reasonable. I think rax beats scarlet or almost 5-5. scarlet definitely doesn't want to waste meter. but scarlet can keep him out. got good pressure. I think 5-5 is most agreeable. Reptile I agree is 6-4 rax. Freddy vs rax is 5-5 imo. it could be 6-4 freddy. it's a patient match imo. I think 5-5 is most agreeable. freddy has a juicy hitbox that can be abused if rax gets in. Freddy can never waste meter unless necessary. 5-5 is most agreeable for me. I don't think freddy wins. I have a lot of smoke exp and I feel it is close to 5-5 or 6-4 smoke minimum. Yeah smoke can keep rax away with smoke bombs etc be lame. but smoke doesn't have any chip damage just like cyrax. when cyrax gets in he can do a lot of damage on smoke because of his huge hitbox similar to rax's hitbox. they both can't make mistakes. it's a ground game. nobody can really jump. smoke doesn't have good wakeups so rax can keep pressure on smoke. smoke can definitely keep rax away no doubt. but the match is no where near 7-3. I don't think rax has a 7-3 mu. even the thought of smoke winning 7-3 seems insane. 6-4 is the minimum. it's real close to a 5-5. Rain loses to rax like 6-4 its bad for rain almost a 7-3. Kenshi vs rax is 6-4 imo because kenshi has to stay on his toes never to trade with rax. He can keep rax out good. if rax gets in kenshi hitbox can be abused badly. if you catch kenshi with command grab the mixups are endless with a hitbox that big. I flawlessed pig a round one time with these mixups. not trying to brag or anything i <3:) pig. aka uncle bernie aha. but it can get ugly if rax gets in. kenshi has to keep rax out. I think it is a tossup between 5-5 6-4. I think 6-4 rax but is it a VERY manageable match for kenshi. He just has to play careful. pig's kenshi is the best we always have close fights. It can be 5-5 it's hard for me to tell. I would have to play pig more in this mu. I think vs jade it's 6-4 rax because that glow. almost 7-3 rax. Jade has ways that she can keep rax out if they have good rax experience. just her damage isn't enough vs rax. rax wins the match 6-4 my final decision for that match. Sektor is 5-5 imo. you can't command grab him but footsies help you win the match. sektor keeps rax out good. but one mistake and ggs brah. sektor doesnt really have a good offense except like b3 and missiles etc. d3 buzzsaw and d4 are good for rax in this match nobody can really jump in this match. it can almost be 6-4 sek but I don't think so. I've played my fair share of good sektors and it is 5-5 in my opinion. patience is a key factor in helping rax win a lot of his mu's. Like vs mileena it's about who gets the life lead first and lame it out. 5-5 is agreeable to me. vs shang i think 6-4 is agreeable or 7-3 it is pretty bad for shang. that hitbox can be abused but shang can abuse rax hitbox if he gets in. In my opinion it's 6-4 almost 7-3. i think rax 7-3's csz. just my opinion. csz just stinks and cant phase the yellow death machine. air grab stops all divekicks. d4 and buzzsaw is good tool for a csz trying to abuse parry. possibly 6-4 csz too. Kl i believe rax wins 6-4 but 5-5 is reasonable too. kung lao can do any teleport mixup or jump because it is automatic air grab. no mistakes for kl. kl cant waste meter. kl playing defensive and on the ground is the best thing to go vs rax. a ki trying to play over aggressive vs rax will lead to a quick death. rax wins it but it is very manageable for kl. I feel cyrax runs through ermac 6-4 almost 7-3 rax. ermac has to keep rax away. ermac has no good offense. defense and zoning is all he can do or be random and get lucky. if rax gets in it's bad for mac. using rax's mixups can demolish ermac. ermac poking out can be blocked and you can continue pressure with rax. bombs can influence ermac to do something dumb like teleport and that equals ggs cyrax wins aha. yeah I think it is 7-3 rax 6-4 minimum. I feel raiden rax could possibly be even 5-5. but after playing bwizz, I feel like rax wins it 6-4 minimum. almost 7-3. bombs can influence raiden to do something. like superman. cyrax can punish normal tele and ex tele just have to look at the meter when he teleports. i think 6-4 imo. i feel sonya does win the mu 6-4 very manageable for rax if he plays it like sub zero. almost 5-5 very close to it. cyrax has to play it defensive to win. i agree with noob losing to rax 6-4. i've played almost all the good noobs. cyrax wins it. sheeva does lose to rax 7-3. i think cyrax beats sindel 6-4. cyrax beats quan 6-4 close to a 5-5. battle of brokeness. I think cyrax brokeness wins the match. i think stryker is 6-4 rax agreeable for me almost 7 3 in my opinion. but 6 4 works best for me.
China called, they want their wall back. :p
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Señor, freddy has other tools to beat characters beside zoning you are too mind blocked with zoning, you don't go for risky 50/50s without breakers and this is used for comeback factor, also i've never seen you using tear drop vortex much, a lot of characters can fight cyrax up close, i dont know why people are so afraid of him upclose, command grab is not that fearful =)
Fool, people are afraid because he can hit-confirm pokes into 90% of damage.

I am not wasting breakers for a chance to do 30% of damage. I am not sure why any sane player would.

My Freddy is the most complete Freddy in the world. I know exactly how to fight each match up effectively.
 

Maxter

Noob
Fool, people are afraid because he can hit-confirm pokes into 90% of damage.

I am not wasting breakers for a chance to do 30% of damage. I am not sure why any sane player would.

My Freddy is the most complete Freddy in the world. I know exactly how to fight each match up effectively.
Señor, gotta make good use of your meters, must be awared of cyrax meters before taking this risk, this is good to terminate matches , comeback factor or take a huge lead ,also don't come to me you can get only a 30% dmg out of a combo reset with him, not in the corner at least, if your freddy is the most complete in the world why did you bail on scars at dallas, why werre you so afraid of going there and being exposed? would you come to NEC? lets see what that freddy is made off, for now Scars, CD and Dark Natas are the best freddies until you come to a tournie and beat one of them in the mirror match, we have never seen a freddy mirror match, its time dawg.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Señor, gotta make good use of your meters, must be awared of cyrax meters before taking this risk, this is good to terminate matches , comeback factor or take a huge lead ,also don't come to me you can get only a 30% dmg out of a combo reset with him, not in the corner at least, if your freddy is the most complete in the world why did you bail on scars at dallas, why werre you so afraid of going there and being exposed? would you come to NEC? lets see what that freddy is made off, for now Scars, CD and Dark Natas are the best freddies until you come to a tournie and beat one of them in the mirror match, we have never seen a freddy mirror match, its time dawg.
I could not attend MLG Dallas because of school.

Scar's Freddy is not on my level. I saw nothing on stream that impressed me.

All VSM Freddy players do is rush down. They need to stick to rush down characters and leave the zoning characters to The Zoning Master.
 

SatsuiYesHadou

Yung Kneecaps
I could not attend MLG Dallas because of school.

Scar's Freddy is not on my level. I saw nothing on stream that impressed me.

All VSM Freddy players do is rush down. They need to stick to rush down characters and leave the zoning characters to The Zoning Master.
But freddy has pretty good rush down too and good mix ups which lead to good damage which leads back all the way to zoning again. People will have a hard time already trying to get in and once they do get in then they have to deal with his up close offense which is a lot like liu kangs pressure.
 

SatsuiYesHadou

Yung Kneecaps
I could not attend MLG Dallas because of school.

Scar's Freddy is not on my level. I saw nothing on stream that impressed me.

All VSM Freddy players do is rush down. They need to stick to rush down characters and leave the zoning characters to The Zoning Master.
But freddy has pretty good rush down too and good mix ups which lead to good damage which leads back all the way to zoning again. People will have a hard time already trying to get in and once they do get in then they have to deal with his up close offense which is a lot like liu kangs pressure.
 

Maxter

Noob
But freddy has pretty good rush down too and good mix ups which lead to good damage which leads back all the way to zoning again. People will have a hard time already trying to get in and once they do get in then they have to deal with his up close offense which is a lot like liu kangs pressure.
Maaannnn, finally someone made sense on this thread about freddy, freddy rush down is legit and tricky, they are also cancelable on 1,2 or 3 hit strings into specials, or just fire away,if dave doesn't step it up i'll have to show people eddie true potential
 

SatsuiYesHadou

Yung Kneecaps
Maaannnn, finally someone made sense on this thread about freddy, freddy rush down is legit and tricky, they are also cancelable on 1,2 or 3 hit strings into specials, or just fire away,if dave doesn't step it up i'll have to show people eddie true potential
Lol eddie?? And yeah people don't realize his true potential. He has insane rush down and the best zoning. People either zone with him only or rush down only and I don't understand why not do both? If m2dave had rush down as great as his zoning then he would be nearly unstoppable. B2 and b3 are both 0 on block great for mix ups
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
But freddy has pretty good rush down too and good mix ups which lead to good damage which leads back all the way to zoning again. People will have a hard time already trying to get in and once they do get in then they have to deal with his up close offense which is a lot like liu kangs pressure.
Freddy's pressure is a lot like Liu Kang's pressure?

You are a fool.
 

Maxter

Noob
Lol eddie?? And yeah people don't realize his true potential. He has insane rush down and the best zoning. People either zone with him only or rush down only and I don't understand why not do both? If m2dave had rush down as great as his zoning then he would be nearly unstoppable. B2 and b3 are both 0 on block great for mix ups
Like denzel and Maloc call Liu lui i call freddy eddie, i have an accent and can't help =) but you are right, if m2dave incorporate some rush and combos into his game he will be the absolute best, i changed to cyrax full time cause i incorporated tactical with rushdown, even cyrax is no rush down it minds fook people, but hey freddie got bunch of strings that can become 50/50 guessing sometimes, dave needs to step it up dawg
 

SatsuiYesHadou

Yung Kneecaps
Like denzel and Maloc call Liu lui i call freddy eddie, i have an accent and can't help =) but you are right, if m2dave incorporate some rush and combos into his game he will be the absolute best, i changed to cyrax full time cause i incorporated tactical with rushdown, even cyrax is no rush down it minds fook people, but hey freddie got bunch of strings that can become 50/50 guessing sometimes, dave needs to step it up dawg
Yeah freddy has great mix ups. He has a low and an overhead which are decently quick which is why I related him to lui kang and they are neutral on block and safe because you don't always have to hell spike after just to do it. If you hit a b2 or b3 then you are +4 and good for more pressure. If you want the damage and are going to continue through with a hell spike but don't want to be punished then you can ex hell spike which is only -6 (according to the tom brady guide) and the only moves that can punish that are reptiles elbow dash or kung lao spin or some d1s. If you do hit that ex hell spike then its big damage which leads back to zoning or continued pressure if you choose. But I am a fool and a bit of a coward because I know some smoke :p