Hitoshura's Noob Saibot Matchup Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Noob Saibot' started by Hitoshura, Mar 30, 2012.

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  1. K.O.E_18

    K.O.E_18 Military Man

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    KL is definitely worse than Raiden. Any attempt at zoning is easily punished by Tele~3. To compete you have to close the distance which is equally as frustrating because KL is better in close range. 7-3 KL.

    Raiden is a similar MU, but he doesn't blow Noob up in close range as much as KL. 6-4 Raiden.

    Doesn't help that you can't really keep either character cornered for damage.
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  2. K.O.E_18

    K.O.E_18 Military Man

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    It's one of his harder 6-4 MU's but it's not a hard MU by any means. I wouldn't say he annihilates him either.

    Sektor's best tool is iaTeleport against Noob's zoning. It's very good but it can definitely be baited and punished. In fact, iaTeleport is the very reason the MU is 6-4.

    On the other hand, Noob is a problem when he corners Sektor. He doesn't have armor or a reliable reversal to deal with Noob's corner game, and ghostball is really a problem for him.
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  3. RYX

    RYX gotta go fast

    Sek can't reliably zone either.

    I'd love to give a more detailed opinion but I'll have to wait till the weekend when I can get on an actual keyboard.
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  4. K.O.E_18

    K.O.E_18 Military Man

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    He can't zone because both his projectiles get punished by Teleport on reaction. His Straight Missile does elimate the threat of Shadow Slide though. Shadow Tackle and Straight Missile both cause knockdown, so it's an even trade. However, when Slide trades with it, Sektor has zoning advantage.

    Suprisingly Noob's footsies are just above average IMO, and he can compete with Sektor in close range.
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  5. RYX

    RYX gotta go fast

    Tackle has wakeup invincibility, by the way. > missiles on a trade

    Noob's footsies are highly underrated.
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  6. K.O.E_18

    K.O.E_18 Military Man

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    That's true.

    I'm still waiting on NKZero opinion on why it's 7-3 Sektor.
  7. RYX

    RYX gotta go fast

    He posted his argument a while ago for me on his Sektor MU thread. I can't copy paste on tablet though. :(
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  8. NKZero

    NKZero Premium Supporter Premium Supporter

    K.O.E_18, RYX

    It's 7-3 because Sektor can not only limit Noob's zoning via iaTU, but he can punish shadows from ANYWHERE on the screen when it's blocked. Noob cannot zone at all. His hit-box is high enough so Sektor is actually Johnny Cage now in the rushdown department (made worse by the fact that Noob has no armour). Sektor has better footsies although as you said Noob isn't a slouch.

    Both corner games cancel each other out because Sektor himself isn't a great corner character. Plus Noob can actually give Sektor some wake-up problems with some of his set-ups. That's what stops it from a 2-8 tbh. Noob's offensive arsenal is just severely limited, it's as if Sektor was built to counter everything Noob has.

    This MU all depends on how well the Sektor player uses iaTU and how on point he is. If Noob gets away with throwing out shadows and not getting punished for them then this could be as even as 5-5. But realistically looking at the tools and all, it's 3-7 in Sektor's favour.
  9. THTB

    THTB #BlackRanger Staff Member Lead Moderator

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    Huh...? I'm going on a gander and saying you worded this really badly.
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  10. K.O.E_18

    K.O.E_18 Military Man

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    Punishing a Tackle/Slide on block from anywhere on the screen isn't that practical bro. iaTU is like 16f and you have to count the 3f startup of the jump. That leaves you with a 2f window for error. It may work a few time(being generous), but it's not a practical punish, and good luck trying that against the slide. Yor better off keeping it simple by reacting with iaTU fullscreen and jumping then TU midscreen. Scorpion can punish blocked tackle/slide with spear and even with an 8f window for error it's not that easy.

    LBSH, you don't need armor to escape midscreen pressure. It just makes it simple. Sektor doesn't have JCage pressure no matter the size of the hurtbox. Upknee and d3 are both good tools to get some real estate. Noob has enough to keep him from going ape shit. The fact that Sektor doen't have armor and a good reversal is more of a factor in this MU. It hurts him anywhere on the screen.

    Sektor is facter but Noob 's normals have better priority, so footsies isn't a problem.

    The MU is only 6-4 because of the iaTU being a great anti-zoning special. Other than that he's no more of a threat than Reptile is. Kabal, Smoke, and KL are his only 3-7 MU.
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  11. THTB

    THTB #BlackRanger Staff Member Lead Moderator

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    Wait, he was serious about using iaTU to punish shadow on block anywhere?

    It would only work for point-blank punishes. Projectile frame advantage fluctuates depending on distance. This doesn't even work from anywhere outside point blank.
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  12. RYX

    RYX gotta go fast

    Not exactly MU related but after a blocked EX TU, won't Noob's F33 be faster than anything Sektor does? Since it's -6 That makes F3 11 frames, and Sek's fastest poke at that situation is 12.. A one frame window isn't much but it could be useful. :p

    I still think Raiden is a horrible match-up though.
  13. K.O.E_18

    K.O.E_18 Military Man

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    Yup he's serious. I've never seen it done, and even if it's possible Sektor has easier methods of punishing shadows.
  14. K.O.E_18

    K.O.E_18 Military Man

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    Raiden is definitely an annoying MU. the only thing that stops it from being 7-3 is the fact that Noob can compete with Raiden in close range.
  15. RYX

    RYX gotta go fast

    That teleport is the bane of my existence. ;_;
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  16. NKZero

    NKZero Premium Supporter Premium Supporter

    RYX, K.O.E_18, THTB

    Yes I was serious...but I shoulda specified. It's useful for when you block it at just outside sweep distance for example and cannot punish with anything else because you're out of B2 range for example. Obviously at full screen you can just iaTU on reaction. It's hard to punish on block with that move but it's do-able, that's my point. With enough practice it will become easy eventually it's just that this MU is barely played out.

    As for the pressure, yes it's very dangerous when Sektor has a 6 frame jab and has a ton of variations off it, and everything connects on a crouch-blocking Noob. Noob isn't getting anything out other than a 6 frame attack if Sektor keeps pestering him with the jab and then further mixing it up. It's tough.

    Now if Noob cannot zone and can be rushed down easily, how is this a 4-6?
  17. RYX

    RYX gotta go fast

    Can't be rushed down easily though. 7 frame down3 and it's gdlk at stopping pressure. Add how much it lowers him to that too and you're solid.

    He can zone just fine closer than full screen. Teleports can be baited and nothing stops me from just walking?

    I think this is similar to Smoke in that you want to put them in the corner and it's GGs. Sektor really can't play keep away as well though. So if a big part of Sektor's game ( zoning ) isn't available to him, and his CQC isn't stellar either, how is it worse than 6-4?
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  18. K.O.E_18

    K.O.E_18 Military Man

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    I actually checked out what THTB said, and he's correct. Tackle/Slide are only -21 within sweep distance. It's no point in trying to use iaTU on block when you only have a 3f window for punishment other than to look flashy.

    Noob has a high hurtbox, but like I said before he has d3 & UpKnee. He doesn't have to deal with any of that pressure your talking about because Upknee crushes all true Highs before its 16f startup. Not to mention the fact that it wouldn't sway the MU regardless.

    iaTU is great for anti-zoning, but it's not as free as you make it seem. KL, Kabal, Raiden and Smoke are the only characters that don't have to respect or deal with his zoning at all. Sektor has to deal with it midscreen, he gets destroyed on wakeup, he gets destroyed in the corner, and he doesn't really beat Noob in footsies either. It's only 6-4.
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  19. RYX

    RYX gotta go fast

    i forgot what I was going to say about Sektor. :[ something about cornering, semi-offense, etc.

    anyway, what are your guys' thoughts on the Cage match-up? i don't see how it's 6-4 cage, he feels way too easy to run away from.
  20. K.O.E_18

    K.O.E_18 Military Man

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    Cage MU is 6-4 Noob.

    Cage absolutely has to deal with Noob's keep away game. His armor is also not effective. Noob can also hang with Cage in footsies. The only time Cage is truly dominant is when he's in Noob's face. He's also a character that has to watch out for front portals. Force him to use reversals (they are all punishable on block) and punish him for doing so. The biggest problem for Cage is that it's not that easy to force Noob to fight him in CQC.

    A case could also be made for 5-5 MU as well. Only because the retarded frame traps, but it's still 6-4 IMO.
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  21. K.O.E_18

    K.O.E_18 Military Man

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    RYX these were Grolarbears thoughts on the MU when we discussed it last year. I used to play Cage when we had this convo.
  22. K.O.E_18

    K.O.E_18 Military Man

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    RYX some good examles of the MU

    Grolarbears vs Showtime @7:00

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  23. Hitoshura

    Hitoshura Unemployed Black Astronaut.

    I don't think sektor is that bad tbh, but then again I'm trash so whatever. \(ツ)/¯ lol
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  24. M.D.

    M.D. Noob

    Hi. I know I'm probably 2 years 2 late and this is already known, but I haven't noticed it here anywhere and I thought it might help people with their Sektor matchup:

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  25. Hitoshura

    Hitoshura Unemployed Black Astronaut.

    I like this, good shit.
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