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My facts are from my degree on the subject, which I have. What's your authority other than google-foo and not even being able to provide links for even that?
Also, a lot of them actually bring true statistics to the table.

People undermine the shit out of Tumblr, but when you actually pay attention to the right blogs on there, you get a shit ton of good information and sources.
 

Law Hero

There is a head on a pole behind you
Idk. The girls saying fuck are getting our attention and making us talk about it. And that's not offensive to me. The only thing I didn't like was when they said "teach boys not to rape" . I understand wht they were trying to say but I didn't like how they said it.
The point of all the swearing is not to promote thoughtful discussion of the topics, but to promote awareness of the video so as many people as possible are exposed to the ads within it for shirts and merchandise. Using "hot-button" issues and shock tactics, the video will generate discussion and pass through social circles like this one, and the more people that see the ads, the higher chance someone will buy stuff.

Your quote is a good example about how nothing new or, even in some instances logical, is being said. They're just repeating statistics and phrases with foul-mouthed children in order to grab your attention. I did find that quote funny though. Like, all boys condone and practice rape, and this is an issue that needs to be dealt. Rape is awful, but let's not act like every man is deranged, violent, and desperate enough to sexually assault women.
 
The point of all the swearing is not to promote thoughtful discussion of the topics, but to promote awareness of the video so as many people as possible are exposed to the ads within it for shirts and merchandise. Using "hot-button" issues and shock tactics, the video will generate discussion and pass through social circles like this one, and the more people that see the ads, the higher chance someone will buy stuff.

Your quote is a good example about how nothing new or, even in some instances logical, is being said. They're just repeating statistics and phrases with foul-mouthed children in order to grab your attention. I did find that quote funny though. Like, all boys condone and practice rape, and this is an issue that needs to be dealt. Rape is awful, but let's not act like every man is deranged, violent, and desperate enough to sexually assault women.
I don't know their true intentions or motives but they have started a discussion between some people about equality for women which is a good discussion to have.
 

xWildx

What a day. What a lovely day.
It's not about flat out STOPPING rape, it's about the men who get away with it for free because women are too afraid to say anything and let it happen to avoid shaming and future conflicts.

Jesus fucking Christ people. I've had friends who have had to deal with this. Some of you are so off base it's astounding.
 
It's not about flat out STOPPING rape, it's about the men who get away with it for free because women are too afraid to say anything and let it happen to avoid shaming and future conflicts.

Jesus fucking Christ people. I've had friends who have had to deal with this. Some of you are so off base it's astounding.
We aren't saying that is an issue, there is a huge undertone of violence, it's more about the commercial itself... atleast in my case.
 

xWildx

What a day. What a lovely day.
We aren't saying that is an issue, there is a huge undertone of violence, it's more about the commercial itself... atleast in my case.
I understand that, and that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's just that there's some huge generalizations going on in this thread.
 

RyuKazuya

Jesus is my Lord and Savior!
What kind of parrents allow their young children to speak like that-.-
Man society breaks apart...
 

Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
I urge everyone about to post anything about this topic, to read this before responding and then we can have a discussion on paygap.
But, you know, not really cause there'll be nothing to discuss.

The Department of Labor recently funded a study that proved this and found the pay gap is caused by choices, not discrimination.
http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender Wage Gap Final Report.pdf

Women work (44/56)x100=78% as much as time as men. Kind of explains the gap by itself doesn't it?

The Gender Pay Gap is a Complete Myth

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/

Gender pay gap is not what activists claim
http://www.examiner.com/article/gender-pay-gap-is-not-what-activists-claim

Equal pay statistics are bogus because they don’t compare like with like
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/vickiwoods/7957186/Sorry-ladies-Im-not-worried-about-wage-gaps.html

Fair Pay Isn’t Always Equal Pay
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/22/opinion/22Sommers.html?_r=2&hp&

The Wage Gap Myth
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/the_wage_gap_myth.html

Don’t Blame Discrimination for Gender Wage Gap
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2012-08-13/don-t-blame-discrimination-for-gender-wage-gap

The pay inequality myth: Women are more equal than you think

Women Now A Majority In the Workplace
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/06/business/economy/06women.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1414266649-BxNe8fGIFxBXISKPRaqEQA

Women In Tech Make More Money And Land Better Jobs Than Men
http://www.businessinsider.com/women-in-tech-make-more-money-and-land-better-jobs-than-men-2010-9

Female U.S. corporate directors out-earn men: study
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/11/07/us-boardroom-women-idUSN0752118220071107?feedType=R

Female CEOs outearned men in 2009.
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=10630664

Women between ages 21 and 30 working full-time made 117% of men's wages.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/nyregion/03women.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, single women between 22 and 30 years old earn an average of $27,000 a year. That's 8% more than comparable men.
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Students-at-Miami-Dade-College-Not-Surprised-Young-Women-Earning-More-Than-Men-159522135.html

Workplace Salaries: At Last, Women on Top
http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

Young Women's Pay Exceeds Male Peers
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704421104575463790770831192?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704421104575463790770831192.html

The 15 Jobs Where Women Earn More Than Men
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2011/03/14/jobs-where-women-earn-more-than-men/


Women aged between 22 and 29 earn over £10 per hour on average, compared to men their same age who earn just under this amount.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8803019/Young-women-now-earning-more-than-men.html

Young women now earn more than men in UK
http://www.womensviewsonnews.org/2011/10/young-women-now-earn-more-than-men-in-uk/



Oh, and my "authority" is basic reading comprehenshion.
 

Relaxedstate

PTH|RM Relaxedstate
Ya, I am uncomfortable. The "facts" presented in this needlessly antagonizing psa are false/highly questionable.

If you wanna improve the situation of women you can do it by being honest. Starting with this guy:



This is a myth.
Uh what? Lol. There is literally endless amounts of professional literature and research on economic discrimination. It statistically controls for all kinds of 'gender differential' variables as well.

Men often get paid more than women for the same job. On top of that women face other discrimination daily. Furthermore, women of color have an even greater wage gap difference (in the 60%s). Why are you so resistant/dismissive to this?

Is it a myth that young black men get unfairly profiled/harasses/murdered by the police?

Was the holocaust a myth?

You're sounding ridiculous.
 

MisguidedAngel

Greetings, Mortal
Oh, and my "authority" is basic reading comprehenshion.
The irony in this sentence is lulz. I'll respond to the rest in a sec ;).

Your ability to read titles is astounding, I admit. I'd probably be right in assuming you didn't actually read any of these articles or you'd also be seeing how flimsy most are. Like how you avoided looking at the academic paper I linked you.
 
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rev0lver

Come On Die Young
You also have to account for discrimination in hiring, acceptance to educational programs, etc. I literally worked on scientific research in college on gender discrimination in STEM fields. Outside the general uncomfortability women experience in these fields, similar how they feel in gaming, women are treated as though they're stupid and don't even know how to work with computers. Women applying to a job in the tech industry with the same qualifications as a man are much less likely to be hired. I have seen that in my own lab's research and in numerous other studies. These are also, coincidentally, becoming the highest-paying jobs in the country if they're not already.

So, when you have statistics like "women are less likely to pursue these jobs and that's why they're paid less" you have to keep in mind that a lot of them actually are pursuing them, they're just not getting them. Particularly in engineering and computer science - they're less likely to be accepted to programs in them, they're less likely to get jobs related to them, and if they're lucky enough to get in the field, they're treated poorly. That's not the women's fault.
 
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Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
Sigh.
Uh what? Lol. There is literally endless amounts of professional literature and research on economic discrimination. It statistically controls for all kinds of 'gender differential' variables as well.

Men often get paid more than women for the same job. On top of that women face other discrimination daily. Furthermore, women of color have an even greater wage gap difference (in the 60%s). Why are you so resistant/dismissive to this?

Is it a myth that young black men get unfairly profiled/harasses/murdered by the police?

Was the holocaust a myth?

You're sounding ridiculous.
You're looking at the statistics out of context of this discusion. Life time earnings reflects men's and women's different choices in life. Over a lifetime, women will work fewer years and hours per week. It's that simple.

Look, if the wage gap isn't a myth, if women truly did get paid less for exactly equal quality and quantity of work, then what's stopping any company that doesn't immediately fire all its male employees and replace them with female ones, as the former is essentially throwing money away. If women make, let's say 70% (according to feminists) of what men make, then a business owner could cut their payroll expense this way. What business owner wouldn't do that? And if it was a female CEO on top of that, the company should easily be able to out-compete sluggish male-run enterprises with their costly Y chromosome-based overhead.

The irony in this sentence is lulz. I'll respond to the rest in a sec ;).

Your ability to read titles is astounding, I admit. I'd probably be right in assuming you didn't actually read any of these articles or you'd also be seeing how flimsy most are. Like how you avoided looking at the academic paper I linked you.
Of course I did.

And wow, I guess your 1 possibly biased source cancels all mine out. I'll give it a read later.

You also have to account for discrimination in hiring, acceptance to educational programs, etc. I literally worked on scientific research in college on gender discrimination in STEM fields. Outside the general uncomfortability women experience in these fields, similar how they feel in gaming, women are treated as though they're stupid and don't even know how to work with computers. Women applying to a job in the tech industry with the same qualifications as a man are much less likely to be hired. I have seen that in my own lab's research and in numerous other studies. These are also, coincidentally, becoming the highest-paying jobs in the country if they're not already.

So, when you have statistics like "women are less likely to pursue these jobs and that's why they're paid less" you have to keep in mind that a lot of them actually are pursuing them, they're just not getting them.
Sure, but what does that have to do with the wage gap itself? I'm not arguing that discrimination isn't a real thing, here. Women are lacking in STEM fields, right, more effort is trying to get them in there, however. Companies that hire a lot of engineers are always looking for more women to balance things out and to not appear male dominated.

http://www.businessinsider.com/women-in-tech-make-more-money-and-land-better-jobs-than-men-2010-9
 

Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
Some of you keep trying to move the goal posts. I'm discussing wage gap here.

Women are payed equally for the exact same job, with controlled variables, according to non-misleading facts and statistics.
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
Sure, but what does that have to do with the wage gap itself? I'm not arguing that discrimination isn't a real thing, here. Women are lacking in STEM fields, right, more effort is trying to get them in there, however. Companies that hire a lot of engineers are always looking for more women to balance things out and to not appear male dominated.

http://www.businessinsider.com/women-in-tech-make-more-money-and-land-better-jobs-than-men-2010-9
They say that, but it doesn't reflect reality. I'm talking about the general point that women don't pursue the higher-paying jobs that men have. A lot of it has to do with hiring+promotion itself than them just not wanting them.
 

LEGI0N47

I like to play bad characters
Couldn't finish it, waste of time, and you don't need to in order to see what they're about. What needs to be said about what's wrong about it has been said and almost all of them are on the money. I'd be willing to wager that more actual feminist would be pissed about this because it brings them the wrong kind of attention and is quite unprofessional as well as misleading in parts. Also poor parenting, which is probably why it's been disliked so much since many will take the video as them exploiting children, I did.
 
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Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
They say that, but it doesn't reflect reality. I'm talking about the general point that women don't pursue the higher-paying jobs that men have. A lot of it has to do with hiring+promotion itself than them just not wanting them.
I'm not supposed to simply take you word on behalf of all compnies, right?

We are not accounting for anecdotes here. In this case, you do realize economics was used to explain a phenomenon of a "gender-wage gap" (more specifically, the lack thereof) in the economic world? Although you are wrong that it's inaccurate to say it doesn't "reflect reality" with in the first place, no one is even talking about whatever "reality" you may see. Statistics do not lie.
 
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Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
They say that, but it doesn't reflect reality. I'm talking about the general point that women don't pursue the higher-paying jobs that men have. A lot of it has to do with hiring+promotion itself than them just not wanting them.
It's funny you say that, in Australia, women in engineering and other STEM fields are highly saught after. To the point of affirmative action in hiring, scholarships for women for education in those fields etc. In Australia at least, women who complete a masters in engineering are basically guaranteed employment after their degree, while the market is much more competetive for men.

The thing is, the women with the talents and skills just don't want to study engineering. Instead, these women choose other fields such as medicine, law and accountancy.



No economist worth their salt would acknowledge the '23c pay-gap' as being legitimate. If that were so, there would be 0 reason to hire males for menial jobs, since female labour would be significantly cheaper. Comparisons of lifetime earnings are deeply flawed.



While we're on it, that 1/5 statistic is also bogus, and it makes me mad to see such a serious issue as sexual harassment be used to sell t-shirts. Sexual harassment is a serious problem, inflating it with bogus statistics does nothing to help victims of harassment, nor does it help solve the issue. Inflated statistics lead to ineffective policies and overreaction. With an issue as important as sexual assault, it's important to address it thoroughly and accurately.
 

RunwayMafia

Shoot them. Shoot them all.
I actually like and dislike the ad (if that makes any sense).

1.) I get the REAL message loud and clear and I love how it's ruffled so many feathers....

However, on the other hand....

2.) There is a part of me that finds the message lost. I find it in poor taste to have little girls dropping f-bombs. Plus I loathe loud mouth children lol. (not literally, you know what I mean)

*shrugs* It's very effective.
 

Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
It's funny you say that, in Australia, women in engineering and other STEM fields are highly saught after. To the point of affirmative action in hiring, scholarships for women for education in those fields etc. In Australia at least, women who complete a masters in engineering are basically guaranteed employment after their degree, while the market is much more competetive for men.

The thing is, the women with the talents and skills just don't want to study engineering. Instead, these women choose other fields such as medicine, law and accountancy.



No economist worth their salt would acknowledge the '23c pay-gap' as being legitimate. If that were so, there would be 0 reason to hire males for menial jobs, since female labour would be significantly cheaper. Comparisons of lifetime earnings are deeply flawed.



While we're on it, that 1/5 statistic is also bogus, and it makes me mad to see such a serious issue as sexual harassment be used to sell t-shirts. Sexual harassment is a serious problem, inflating it with bogus statistics does nothing to help victims of harassment, nor does it help solve the issue. Inflated statistics lead to ineffective policies and overreaction. With an issue as important as sexual assault, it's important to address it thoroughly and accurately.
I agree heavily, and the 1/5 stat is bs as well.


This is why I tend to dislike arguing with feminists, a majority I've met have the biggest persecution complex for all the wrong reasons, too. Among other reasons, as well.
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
I'm not supposed to simply take you word on behalf of all compnies, right?
No. Especially because you're talking about an anecdotal quote which is supposedly a thing you don't like. As I said, I have been involved with actual research in this. Many times, they do not WANT to hire a female with the same qualifications as a male for the same job in these fields. Some only will with affirmative action because it looks good, as @Pan1cMode mentioned.

It's funny you say that, in Australia, women in engineering and other STEM fields are highly saught after. To the point of affirmative action in hiring, scholarships for women for education in those fields etc. In Australia at least, women who complete a masters in engineering are basically guaranteed employment after their degree, while the market is much more competetive for men.

The thing is, the women with the talents and skills just don't want to study engineering. Instead, these women choose other fields such as medicine, law and accountancy.
You're missing a major part of the point though. Part of the issue of our lack of women in these jobs is explained by a lack of them studying it. There are very similar issues in acceptance to academic programs and major issues with discrimination&uncomfortability with peers/teachers within these programs, which prevents them from entering or continuing with them in the first place.