Breakthrough - Raiden F1 being a high now redundant, Quan has a 6f D1

[Pig Of The Hut]

PIG TF you talking bout?

I'm talking about a day 1 strategy

U block a d1 then u immediately counter w a 50/50 if your character has it

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

Now that quan chi can get out of it il agree change it back because they destroyed raiden, he went from being top 3 to like basically bottom 15

 

[just_2swift]

Wasn't there a 9 frame gap in f12(gap)f12
On block? Because if there is that's not a block infinite and its fucked up how ppl loosely thrown around the word saying otherwise. Shit is wrong man.

 

[buyacushun]

Wasn't there a 9 frame gap in f12(gap)f12
On block? Because if there is that's not a block infinite and its fucked up how ppl loosely thrown around the word saying otherwise. Shit is wrong man.

According to in game frame data, f12 is -2. F1 is 6f startup. 8f gap. Some characters had to hold an infinite on block. NRS is too busy chucking out damage to everyone instead of doing simple math.

 

[Barrogh]

Wait. Wasn't there a 9 frame gap between f12(gap)f12 on block?

There was, but some characters had their fastest move at 10f at the time. IIRC Kenshi and Takeda were among them.

 

[BigMilk]

According to in game frame data, f12 is -2. F1 is 6f startup. 8f gap. Some characters had to hold an infinite on block. NRS is too busy chucking out damage to everyone instead of doing simple math.

F12 has always been -3 since day one.

 

[just_2swift]

F12 has always been -3 since day one.

So it's a 9frame gap not 8?

 

[Kingshootahz]

This happens then I should probably ask for some Jax buffs..Like 12 being all mid or something because I don't think the developers give two shits this point in the Game

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Now that quan chi can get out of it il agree change it back because they destroyed raiden, he went from being top 3 to like basically bottom 15

U mean top 15
Kappa

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Seems like the real thing tat needs to be reverted is Quans D1

 

[Qwark28]

I'm talking about a day 1 strategy

U block a d1 then u immediately counter w a 50/50 if your character has it

Pre-day 1. Block a d1 and cyrax pulls your arm into a happy little -50-50.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Pre-day 1. Block a d1 and cyrax pulls your arm into a happy little -50-50.

Who are the two in your signature meant to be?

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Seems like the real thing tat needs to be reverted is Quans D1

Lol

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

ugh yah top 15 your right my mistake

 

[BigMilk]

So it's a 9frame gap not 8?

Correct, it's still bad as far as options go. Best case scenario they would trade

 

[just_2swift]

Correct, it's still bad as far as options go. Best case scenario they would trade

Just make f12 -4 or 5 on block and return f1 to a mid. Why was this so hard to do?

 

[WiseM0nkey]

Seems like the real thing tat needs to be reverted is Quans D1

i dont think Quans d1 its even the problem with him, its like +3 on hit and -9 (lol) on block.

 

[buyacushun]

Just make f12 -4 or 5 on block and return f1 to a mid. Why was this so hard to do?

Because something about Raiden having a 6f mid would make him OP and braindead. Trust me, you don't want to go down this road. I already tried. Everyone hates the idea of giving Raiden day 1 stuff because day 1 he was basically broken.

Also, Based on day 1 stuff. I don't trust NRS and numbers anymore. Lui Kang used to be +15. And Shinnok and Kung Lao + what, 22?

 

[Braindead]

FOR THE RECORD RAIDEN'S B2 IS -35 ON BLOCK NOT -63.

Incorrect listing in the game.

 

[buyacushun]

FOR THE RECORD RAIDEN'S B2 IS -35 ON BLOCK NOT -63.

Incorrect listing in the game.

Thanks, good to know I just need half a second to past instead of a full one to know I can move again. I'm guessing on whiff, after the active frames, is where that comes from. stupid kung fu hand roll.

 

[Braindead]

Thanks, good to know I just need half a second to past instead of a full one to know I can move again. I'm guessing on whiff, after the active frames, is where that comes from. stupid kung fu hand roll.

You have a safe option with B2 into Shocker for ~ 11%, but hey that's none of my business.

 

[Braindead]

Also why are people talking about Raiden's d1 being -9 is like the end of the world? Let me list you how many characters have fast pokes that are that negative on block:

1- Cassie's d1, 7f, -8
2- Ermac's d1, 6f, -10
3- Jason's d3, 11f, -8 (lmao?)
4- Kano's d1 is 9f, -9, and his d4 is 8f, -7
5- Kitana's d1, 8f, -9
6- Kotal's d4, 6f, -10
7- Predator's d4, 8f, -13
8- Need I talk about Quan's?
9- Scorpion's d1, 6f, -9
10- Shinnok's d1, 6f, -9
11- Subzero's fastest pokes are d1 and d4, both 9f and -6 on block (NotLikeThis)
12- Tremor's d4, 12f, -8

 

[buyacushun]

You have a safe option with B2 into Shocker for ~ 11%, but hey that's none of my business.

I never said there was no safe option. I'm fine with it being unsafe. I just find half a second pretty silly. Especially when most of it is from a silly animation. Looks worse on whiff. Like one of those old school fight intros in the movies.

 

[buyacushun]

Also why are people talking about Raiden's d1 being -9 is like the end of the world? Let me list you how many characters have fast pokes that are that negative on block:

1- Cassie's d1, 7f, -8
2- Ermac's d1, 6f, -10
3- Jason's d3, 11f, -8 (lmao?)
4- Kano's d1 is 9f, -9, and his d4 is 8f, -7
5- Kitana's d1, 8f, -9
6- Kotal's d4, 6f, -10
7- Predator's d4, 8f, -13
8- Need I talk about Quan's?
9- Scorpion's d1, 6f, -9
10- Shinnok's d1, 6f, -9
11- Subzero's fastest pokes are d1 and d4, both 9f and -6 on block (NotLikeThis)

I don't know where the "end of world" sentiment comes from but . . .

But you can't just compare pokes across the cast without any context unless you're want to just stating facts to state facts.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

FOR THE RECORD RAIDEN'S B2 IS -35 ON BLOCK NOT -63.

Incorrect listing in the game.

I guess I wasn't saying it loud enough...