Strategy Ermac Frame Data

Discussion in 'Ermac' started by Somberness, Dec 31, 2011.

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  1. charlieonline

    charlieonline Search "CaseyJones" for active profile.

    Shame.. but is his sweep still +2?
  2. Somberness

    Somberness Lights Staff Member

    Yes to both.
  3. zaf

    zaf Moderator Staff Member

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    Im sad now but at least I know why I couldnt poke after

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  4. QjonPL

    QjonPL Low Tier Fanatic

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    So now Ermac's only overhead can be officially called the worst OH in the game : [
  5. Skkra

    Skkra PSN: Skkra

    Yeah, what a shame. I thought it being +4 on block actually made sense, but now... well, at least its safe, and it does knock back, but... man, what a garbage pile of an overhead.

    I think it still has uses though; particularly U+4 on block, then backdash ~ TKP. That should catch someone trying to poke you, like Mileena's D+4, right?
  6. QjonPL

    QjonPL Low Tier Fanatic

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    You won't backdash far enough to dodge that helluva long leg.
  7. zaf

    zaf Moderator Staff Member

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    Naw u cant backdash far enough to be out of range. Possibly jump out to avoid her d4. Should also hit you before tkp can land.

    U4 being -4 on block doesnt make it the worst overhead. You can still block and jump out. Dont forget it can still go over somethings. Also it does land on people. As slow as it is, it hits. Yes it can be fuzzyed but so can many moves in the game and this doesnt make people not use them.
  8. QjonPL

    QjonPL Low Tier Fanatic

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    But comparing it to Sonya's overhead (f+4, also techjumps, but it's 0 on block, safejump on hit) makes Ermac's miserable.
  9. Altaire

    Altaire My sword has an eye on it.

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    There's "so much negative energy coming from me"? You attacked me just because I responded to someone else's post and said he was wrong on a lot of points (note that I didn't attack him, insult him or call him a bad player), and you want to lecture ME on negativity? Get the fuck out of here.

    You've been top 8 and further... Where, exactly? Somehow, I doubt you've ever done so at a major, because I've yet to hear tell of it. I'm sure there's that slight possibility that it's a major I've just overlooked, so please, by all means, name me a major where you've placed "top 8 and further". If not, I say again: Get the fuck out of here. Anyone can place top 8 at a smalltime tournament. I placed 9th at Canada Cup (and hell, I only lost to the second and first place winners), but you don't see me bragging about that shit like it was 9th at NEC. I know my place. You, however, need to be put in yours.

    By all means, I'll money match you at Evo. Hell, I'd do FT10 $100, you don't worry me. I am NOT, however, doing an Ermac mirror. A lot of pros will argue that mirrors are retarded, and that they don't prove shit. You don't see 16 Bit bragging about beating Konqrr in the Kitana mirror at Evo, and you don't see Mr. Mileena bragging about how he went on to beat 16 Bit in the mirror at Dev. Yeah, there's a reason for that. If you want to do an Ermac mirror in casuals for shits and giggles, then sure, I'll do it. If you want to play in a series for big money, then I'll use Cyber Sub, because he's my main. The only other alternative I'll accept is if you want me to play Ermac while you play another character, and I'll only accept that if it isn't a hard counterpick.

    Of course, I'm just DYING to see your godly Ermac pressure, so I'd much prefer my Cyber Sub vs. your Ermac.
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  10. Metzos

    Metzos Ultimate Destruction Staff Member Premium Supporter


    Thats all great and stuff but plz pm him next time. Dont wanna start a flame war in this thread plz Altaire. Same thing applies for Kamikaze. If you guys wanna sort this out pm each other plz. This thread is not about who is the better player. Thnx in advance.
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  11. Altaire

    Altaire My sword has an eye on it.

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    Guess I just couldn't duck in time, then. Now that I look at the frame data, it actually makes sense that it can't be ducked, but oh well. It's still decent in the F4 mixup.

    I went back and tested B3 again, and yeah, it's special cancelable, but the special comes out so quickly there's not even a mixup there. Granted, my whole point was that even IF you could do a delayed mid-hitting special from B3, it's a terrible mixup. You're talking about unsafe low with a full combo punish vs. high attack with an uppercut punish.

    Also, I don't know why you're asking me why I'm hostile towards Kamikaze. Read the thread: I didn't say a single word to him, and then he just attacked me out of nowhere. If anything, you should be asking HIM why he's hostile towards me.
  12. Altaire

    Altaire My sword has an eye on it.

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    Alright, that's understandable. Still, a little hype never hurt, either.
  13. Metzos

    Metzos Ultimate Destruction Staff Member Premium Supporter


    I understand what you are saying its just that i kinda know where this will lead so i m just taking procautions :).
  14. Metzos

    Metzos Ultimate Destruction Staff Member Premium Supporter


    Ok so i read the post Kami posted and you kinda have a point. I can only guess that he got carried away a bit cause you said that Ermac is only good at zoning and he doesnt have decent pressure. I m gonna be honest with you though. His close game is not decent. Its actually really good if you can utilize his tools correctly. B2 feints are not as bad as you make them to be.


    EDIT: About B34 i always considered that move useless anyway. But still that string is so underused that i could be wrong though. I m gonna test it abit more after i return from my exams.
  15. zaf

    zaf Moderator Staff Member

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    B34 is useless on its own. Its better used after 31 or 121 to catch someone off guard. But even then its still iffy. After playing people am using it more I came to the conclusion they were just unfamiliar with it. Atleast if the 4 hits on a stand blocking opponent you can pressure after

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  16. KamikazeJD

    KamikazeJD Makes women fap

    Fa sho this is my last post bout the matter then im done. I already sent him a pm. But I hate the bullshit genetalizations we get. I hate bein looked down upon. Ive done a hell of a job proving my skill with ermac as any one whos played me can attest. I dont spout out w/l ratios, scores over people, mention people ive beat, nuthin. Im cordial. Im not a shit talker unless u take it there n u took it there man. Wen I joked that,ex nut punch was op an the trolling I received from u afterwards irritated me. Questioning how I got into the 88s also touched a nerve. I feel like all u kno are the logistics of ermac. Not the whole entire product. Ive mained him since april 19th. The day the shit came out. Dont tell me shit,that ive proved wrong. That we all have proved wrong. Im a competitive person and ill prove myself. U can respond but I wont hit u back on this thread cuz metz asked not to flame war. Im done.

    Back to topic..

    B3 is decent only in the corner I believe.. After a DEEP jk you can use b3 to d1 or b34 to continue your combo. I found some big damage combos that are impractical until you practice them.. Only in the corner tho... Deep jk, 2(very quick pause), 2,2 tks b2b1 tkp I think that was upwards of 50%. I also found out in most cases if you can regularly land a 2 in a combo you can also land a b2 in its place. So I been playin around wit that atm. Workin on makin the impractical, practical.
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  17. zaf

    zaf Moderator Staff Member

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    I know this isnt ermac specific but is there info on frame advantage for jik? Jip is 12frames of adv, is jik the same? Is it different for one done really high or a deep jik?

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  18. Ermaculate_Slim

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    I think its slightly negative on block if kicked high but neutral if kick is blocked close to the ground Ive never gotten punished from a blocked JiK
  19. zaf

    zaf Moderator Staff Member

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    Me either but the frames would be good to know

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  20. Theme

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    I sure like Ermac's down pokes though... :\
  21. RapZiLLa54

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    Whats going on guys, got a question for you. If I did 31 d1 and you tried to jump out after the 31 will I AA you with d1 and then can do TKlift etc etc? Similar to how smoke can 3d12 (0 on block) d1 (6 frame) and if you jump out after 3d12 you are getting d1 into smoke bomb?
  22. Skkra

    Skkra PSN: Skkra

    Correct. After a blocked 3,1, both D+1 or standing 1 will catch a jump.
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  23. i see 3 attacks with block advantage... the hell are you smoking?
  24. however their d1 will beat your d1 and no good player will jump after blocking a 3,1
  25. Error

    Error Born in May

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    Uh, compare that with the rest of the cast, some characters don't even have one normal with block advantage, never mind 3
    (or 4, which was the case when I made that post)

    31 is neutral on block, unless you're using it on a crouching opponent without a jip both d1s should come out at the same time, but unless the opponent was expecting you to stop it short, Ermac's d1 will win.

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