EMPR Jupiter's Martian Manhunter match-up chart. (changes might happen)

[pumpkincream]

He plays him in tournament. They barely play out the MU. There is a difference. If you want to learn a MU you need to sit down and play it out with the person. Grind that shit out. You cannot do that with a 1 or 2 first to 3's once a week. It sadly doesnt work that way.

then how are you supposed to level up at the break

 

[Indecisive]

then how are you supposed to level up at the break

They just don't get the Opportunity to Grind it out. Since Jupiter usually Leaves right away after the Tournament is over for the most part.

 

[pumpkincream]

They just don't get the Opportunity to Grind it out. Since Jupiter usually Leaves right away after the Tournament is over for the most part.

even if kdz doesn't know the mu i still don't think mmh is 100% even with supes or ww.

 

[orochiDragon]

then how are you supposed to level up at the break

Not "at", think of it as "for". U level up in the lab and with good players. Even if u are a vet with majors under your belt, u would still use a weekly tournament to test your skills for the majors.

 

[Red Reaper]

Wait really?! That's dumb...
Can my throwing teeth give me throw immunity then, since teeth is the poor man's orb anyway?




Are you serious? I thought you were trolling but this is like the 15th post calling for Shazam nerfs...

Also all of everything Shazam has is punishable. It's not always easy, but considering EVERYTHING is punishable, it shouldn't be easy.

And hold up, your complaint is that you're bad at punishing due to negative edge, so nerf Shazam? Not even, IDK, turning off negative edge or practice punishing him? No, just nerf Shazam?

Yeah... that sounds reasonable.




And yeah... while it's clear MMH is the best character (or incredibly close to it) in the game, people are mad overreacting to him. Go into training room and practice shutting him down. These are all things I don't see anyone do:

-A lot of characters can deal with start of the round trait 3 by backdashing.
-A lot of characters can bully him on knockdown.
-Everyone has multiple universal ways to punish teleports; not reacting to them fast enough mid match is a player problem and not a character problem as his teleports are very much reactable.
-I believe every character can punish blockstrings ending in white orbs.
-Every character can punish Martian Grab on block.
-Every character has options to pressure MMH after a teleport. Depending on the character, those options can be straight punishes, putting him in blockstrings, or putting him in a guessing game (These are usually not in his favor).

Yeah... until we stop letting this character get away with murder, it is way too early to be calling him "The next Kabal", especially when you consider he's nowhere near as bad as some of the pre-patch characters this game has had.

I just hate his 50/50's. I'mma try a new strategy of just getting hit by 22~Torpedo every single time (aka backdashing). Maybe that'lll work?

Martian has more things that people kan get away from but they don't, like backdashing after B1 to avoid the B13/B1~Martian Grab etc...

PS: You have no idea my kommitment to trolling sometimes.

 

[Indecisive]

I just hate his 50/50's. I'mma try a new strategy of just getting hit by 22~Torpedo every single time (aka backdashing). Maybe that'lll work?

Martian has more things that people kan get away from but they don't, like backdashing after B1 to avoid the B13/B1~Martian Grab etc...

PS: You have no idea my kommitment to trolling sometimes.

If he does 22 torpedo you cannot back dash. You will get hit.

 

[Red Reaper]

If he does 22 torpedo you cannot back dash. You will get hit.

I know. That's why I said to get hit by 22~Torpedo by backdashing.. lol.

Hate his 50/50's... Haha.

 

[CD jr]

Correct me if I'm wrong (literally) but I don't recall REO saying that those matchups were problematic for Kabal except for Jax, which was more to do with the fact that Jax in general thrived on misinformation since he was one of the last characters to have his frame data disclosed.

Not saying you're wrong, (nor am I trying to "crucify" you lol), especially considering Jupiter is relatively new to the NRS landscape opposed to REO during his MK9 run, but it is a double edged sword since this time we have on-hand frame data for everyone, more diverse training resources and regions don't necessarily have to depend on whether they have a local MMH main and/or if they have sufficient execution.

i see something in MMH that people dont see. the game is a year old and MMH is what? 7? 8 months old? let game evolve a little more and we gonna see how deadly MMH when is in trait mode he outfootsies the whole cast. Thats what gonna make MMH deadly when someone learns how to really abuse his trait no one is doing that yet not even jupiter

 

[OG Mannimal]

i see something in MMH that people dont see. the game is a year old and MMH is what? 7? 8 months old? let game evolve a little more and we gonna see how deadly MMH when is in trait mode he outfootsies the whole cast. Thats what gonna make MMH deadly when someone learns how to really abuse his trait no one is doing that yet not even jupiter

Nothing outfootsies soul crush

 

[Red Reaper]

i see something in MMH that people dont see. the game is a year old and MMH is what? 7? 8 months old? let game evolve a little more and we gonna see how deadly MMH when is in trait mode he outfootsies the whole cast. Thats what gonna make MMH deadly when someone learns how to really abuse his trait no one is doing that yet not even jupiter

What are people not seeing? People komplain about him all the time!

 

[KH StarCharger]

Jupiter, I'd say this seems about right. After grinding it out a lot more against MMH in recent months, I've got to say that CW is a lot more even with his broken nonsense than I originally believed.

 

[Fromundaman]

My input in red.

Do you play any of these characters? I know that Joker # is absolutely wrong.

 

[BunLantern]

I honestly agree with the GL number. No one is going to argue that MMH has an easier time in this MU but I just don't think it's bad enough to call 7-3. (maybe 6.5-3.5 but decimals are dumb) This MU for GL is all about patience, eat the orbs and mind meteors (whatever those are called) and slowly WALK, don't dash foward. Eventually you'll catch a teleport with MB b3/f3 and gain the advantage. That being said, there's certain stages where this MU can become unbearable.

 

[KH_Captain]

IADG is safe if executed properly, but that's not the main reason. I don't think people realize how scary WW is up close either. I can basically chip you from full screen and try to keep you there, but when WW gets in its rock paper scissors, also trying to avoid WW the entire game will eventually push you to the corner. Where her big damage and knockdown game really come in to play. I also need meter for orbs, she doesn't need meter for anything really, d3 stuffs both his wake up teleport and force push if timed right.

IADG isnt like youre getting great damage, and its tough to get it to be totally safe. Sorry buy wowo doesnt do anything special to mmh than she does to the majority of the cast, but fundamentally mmh is a far superior character. Yeah once she knocks a character down shes good and shes good once she gets in corner but getting a character that dominates zoning/interactables, and has at least equal footsies into corner snt so easy. Once you figure out how to keep wowo from opening you up so easily shes not so scary. Imo its 6-4 mmh

 

[Fred Marvel]

I honestly agree with the GL number. No one is going to argue that MMH has an easier time in this MU but I just don't think it's bad enough to call 7-3. (maybe 6.5-3.5 but decimals are dumb) This MU for GL is all about patience, eat the orbs and mind meteors (whatever those are called) and slowly WALK, don't dash foward. Eventually you'll catch a teleport with MB b3/f3 and gain the advantage. That being said, there's certain stages where this MU can become unbearable.

the problem with being super patient is you are getting chipped and he is building meter, if you do land a mb b3 you get what 35 or so % damage then its back to the same situation, he will have trait and meter so be ready for a 10 second blockstring and pushblocking would just push him away which is what he wants. the matchup sucks and on some stages its unwinnable, definite 7-3

 

[SaltShaker]

Some high level players love to downplay their character. Gotta make it seem like they aren't always at an advantage from the start I guess...

 

[Forbidden_Donut]

With the exception of dink, I see nothing but Martian down players here. This character out footsies everyone when in trait. He controls ALL interactables on every stage. He has the best chip out/meter building game out of the whole cast. He deals ridiculous damage. He can punish most anything from full screen. He has a safe, meter less, launching, tracking, cross up potential, instant air teleport. He has a top 3 oki game. He has a multi hitting b3 that has the best range in the game when in trait. He is UNBEATABLE in a magic pixel situation. He has a fuckin meter burn air dash for Gods sake.. CD Jr is right, this is the kabal of this game. The only reason it seems that he may not be kabal is because there really isn't a true low tier in this game like there was in mk9 ( thank God). All this bullshit about, oh if this character times this move perfectly, my wake ups wiff. I'm so sorry that now you have to use your freakin brain and not just mindlessly wake up all the time. Welcome to injustice. What if the you bait that shit out? Now what? Lol That's a risky, desperation gamble, not a legitimate strategy. "Oh, well, when I play against this character, I can't fill the fuckin screen with projectiles, so that makes it even." Or "this character can also throw a projectile.." Give me a break dude. Not only are those exaggerations, but you have a hundred other tools at your disposal to deal with those characters.

Play green arrow against any mmh and tell me that the better player is winning.

 

[yaoding09]

With the exception of dink, I see nothing but Martian down players here. This character out footsies everyone when in trait. He controls ALL interactables on every stage. He has the best chip out/meter building game out of the whole cast. He deals ridiculous damage. He can punish most anything from full screen. He has a safe, meter less, launching, tracking, cross up potential, instant air teleport. He has a top 3 oki game. He has a multi hitting b3 that has the best range in the game when in trait. He is UNBEATABLE in a magic pixel situation. He has a fuckin meter burn air dash for Gods sake.. CD Jr is right, this is the kabal of this game. The only reason it seems that he may not be kabal is because there really isn't a true low tier in this game like there was in mk9 ( thank God). All this bullshit about, oh if this character times this move perfectly, my wake ups wiff. I'm so sorry that now you have to use your freakin brain and not just mindlessly wake up all the time. Welcome to injustice. What if the you bait that shit out? Now what? Lol That's a risky, desperation gamble, not a legitimate strategy. "Oh, well, when I play against this character, I can't fill the fuckin screen with projectiles, so that makes it even." Or "this character can also throw a projectile.." Give me a break dude. Not only are those exaggerations, but you have a hundred other tools at your disposal to deal with those characters.

Play green arrow against any mmh and tell me that the better player is winning.

This is a MU discussion thread not a bitch about martian thread.

 

[BunLantern]

the problem with being super patient is you are getting chipped and he is building meter, if you do land a mb b3 you get what 35 or so % damage then its back to the same situation, he will have trait and meter so be ready for a 10 second blockstring and pushblocking would just push him away which is what he wants. the matchup sucks and on some stages its unwinnable, definite 7-3

Well he doesn't have a teleport like Zatanna or Ares so he can't just escape for free but yea it's a shitty MU and on some levels I'd call it a 7-3 definitely. I've played some very solid Martians but never anyone of Jupiter or Reo's level so maybe I truly just don't know.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Yeah, I disagree with BG being even. This is one of her worst MUs.

She can't zone, she can only punish projectiles on a read, she can't play footsies even when MMH doesn't have trait, he out damages her midscreen, her overhead vortex is punishable, she has to wade through a minefield of orbs only to be knocked back full screen and although she can kinda jump in, that can easily be baited and punished. Her corner damage and vortex are the only things that save her from this being absolutely terrible since when she touches you she can potentially take your lifebar.

This MU is 6-4 MMH.

 

[dribirut]

I feel very strongly that Martian beats Superman..

 

[Groove Heaven]

I see a lot of even MUs on this chart that puzzle me. I don't know a ton about this game but I know MMH doesn't go even with the strong majority of the cast.

He also beats Zod worse than 6-4, and I know better Zods than I will agree.

 

[Red Reaper]

With the exception of dink, I see nothing but Martian down players here. This character out footsies everyone when in trait. He controls ALL interactables on every stage. He has the best chip out/meter building game out of the whole cast. He deals ridiculous damage. He can punish most anything from full screen. He has a safe, meter less, launching, tracking, cross up potential, instant air teleport. He has a top 3 oki game. He has a multi hitting b3 that has the best range in the game when in trait. He is UNBEATABLE in a magic pixel situation. He has a fuckin meter burn air dash for Gods sake.. CD Jr is right, this is the kabal of this game. The only reason it seems that he may not be kabal is because there really isn't a true low tier in this game like there was in mk9 ( thank God). All this bullshit about, oh if this character times this move perfectly, my wake ups wiff. I'm so sorry that now you have to use your freakin brain and not just mindlessly wake up all the time. Welcome to injustice. What if the you bait that shit out? Now what? Lol That's a risky, desperation gamble, not a legitimate strategy. "Oh, well, when I play against this character, I can't fill the fuckin screen with projectiles, so that makes it even." Or "this character can also throw a projectile.." Give me a break dude. Not only are those exaggerations, but you have a hundred other tools at your disposal to deal with those characters.

Play green arrow against any mmh and tell me that the better player is winning.

As an Arrow/Martian player I'm konflicted.. lol.

Arrow-Martian not as bad as Arrow-Aquaman in my opinion though.

 

[DarthArma]

i see something in MMH that people dont see. the game is a year old and MMH is what? 7? 8 months old? let game evolve a little more and we gonna see how deadly MMH when is in trait mode he outfootsies the whole cast. Thats what gonna make MMH deadly when someone learns how to really abuse his trait no one is doing that yet not even jupiter

Can't we just fix him now!!1!!

#PauloPlease

 

[Reaper040]

So I've basically been wanting to make an MU chart because of all the questions asked about Martian Manhunter's match-ups. MU charts have been made for this character but it's been a while, plus you guys haven't seen my views on his match-ups, here they are.

• Aquaman 5.5-4.5
• Ares 6-4
• Bane 5-5
• Batgirl 5-5
• Batman 6-4
• Black Adam 6-4
• Catwoman 5-5
• Cyborg 8-2
• Deathstroke 5-5
• Doomsday 5-5
• Flash 5-5
• Green Arrow 7-3
• Green Lantern 6-4
• Harley Quinn 6-4
• Hawkgirl 7-3
• Joker 6-4
• Killer Frost 6-4
• Lex Luthor 4.5-5.5. Could be 5-5, I need to study it more.
• Lobo 6-4
• Nightwing 5-5
• Raven 5-5
• Scorpion 7-3
• Shazam 5-5
• Sinestro 6-4
• Solomon Grundy 5-5
• Superman 5-5
• Wonder Woman 5-5
• Zatanna 6-4
• Zod 6-4

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