Cyrax 'makeshift vortex'

Discussion in 'Cyrax' started by PND_Mustard, Dec 28, 2011.

  1. PND_Mustard

    PND_Mustard "More stealthful than the night"
    Premium Supporter

    ok, i've been experimenting with something with cyrax for a while now, to see if it has any use, i wanted to find a way to maintain pressure after a combo without being forced to dealing with constant tech rolls, as after pretty much all end of combo bomb pressure can be avoided by a simple tech roll.

    what i've been doing, is ending ALL meterless AND meter combos with a second net, not only does this eliminate wakeup attacks, but if you get them at the right height, you're at total advantage after theyve broken out of it to go in for another combo, they can't jump out, however they CAN duck, but this is where it gets quite interesting..

    the 2 combos i used to use meter and meterless were these two.

    meterless - 21-net, njp, b2, 21, 121-medium bomb (as far as i remember its roughly 35%)
    1 EX bar - 21-net, jip, 21-EXbomb, med bomb, d2, b2 (second hit), 21, 121 (does roughly 56%)

    after BOTH of these combos the opponent can pretty much tech roll out of everything you follow with, bringing you back to a neutral state, but if you do these following combos..

    meterless - 21-net, njp, b2, 21, 3-net (roughly 32%)
    1 EX bar - 21-net, jip, 21-EXbomb, med bomb, d2, b2 (second hit), 21, 3-net (roughly 54%)

    these may do a few % less damage, but you are guaranteed some form of chip damage at the lest with a dash in 3-buzzsaw, which brings the damage total back up to the usual damage, and if they guessed wrong and get hit by the saw it does even more. and then gives you a medium bomb for more pressure then you would have gotten beforehand.

    now the next time you catch them in this trap, you read they're either gonna jump out, or fight back, and you have complete advantage for a 21, which you can hit confirm into another net to start it all over again.

    and if you dash in you are at enough range to catch a command grab (b1), then thats a whole new set of mixups they have to deal with.

    you can get this from any form of launcher cyrax has.

    1. net
    2. ex bomb
    3. b2
    4. njp
    5. air to air punch

    all this nets you monstrous meterless damage if they guess wrong, and for the most part, it's entirely safe.

    if you become confident enough in your ability to read an opponent you can save all of your bars for ex nets, to contantly drain their meter keeping them form breaking, essentially using cyrax like quan chi.

    Will have videos up later, Cheers.
  2. i used to end combos in reset nets, but then i found out about his 76 % bnb lol
  3. PND_Mustard

    PND_Mustard "More stealthful than the night"
    Premium Supporter

    what if you have no meter?
  4. i usually do something like njp b2 121 med bomb. i actually prefer bomb pressure instead of block string pressure on occasion
  5. PND_Mustard

    PND_Mustard "More stealthful than the night"
    Premium Supporter

    then they tech roll and avoid it, what what do you do next?
  6. I do nets, teleports, more bombs. I just mix it up. If they do tech roll, i think you have enough time to guarantee some more projectiles on the screen. its usually how i start my minefield
  7. PND_Mustard

    PND_Mustard "More stealthful than the night"
    Premium Supporter

    its much easier to avoid cyrax projectiles than people think, i've said this many times before and will many times more.

    if you go up against someone who truly knows the matchup 100% and will simply NOT get hit by aimless bombs and nets form a distance, you're gonna need something.
  8. Yah i know ive literally only used my cyrax against online players that arent very "fundamental" lol
  9. A F0xy Grampa

    A F0xy Grampa Nerf Demander
    Premium Supporter

    Minefields dont work. People wont just jump into bombs and nets.

    IMO the safe jump is the biggest thing to fear from Cyrax
    Howtoread likes this.
  10. NRF CharlieMurphy

    NRF CharlieMurphy Kindergarten Meta

    isn't his command grab a true vortex?
  11. PND_Mustard

    PND_Mustard "More stealthful than the night"
    Premium Supporter

    im not 100% sure, i know its meant to grant a safe jump but sometimes they jump out, you can get a d4 into, but like i said, you can potentially get a command grab from this. so imagine the mindfuck form going form one set of mixups straight into another just like that
  12. Big Frog

    Big Frog Noob

    Noticed you doing this last night, Mustard. I knew something was up lol
  13. UsedForGlue

    UsedForGlue Strength isn't everything
    Premium Supporter

    His tools, including the command grab and :x should be enough to win a fight if you are good enough with the character. All this mind field, reset and 70% one bar of meter combos just ruin what the character was supposed to be.

    Mustard is the only Cyrax player I have massive respect for, everyone else just makes a mockery of the character by using his bullshit as his main threat.
    Flagg and IDYLEHANDZ like this.
  14. Tokiwartoothxdk

    Tokiwartoothxdk All these souls and I still Feel

    ^^^ This
  15. NRF CharlieMurphy

    NRF CharlieMurphy Kindergarten Meta

    Yeah I don't like thinking about Cyrax doing that shit. If I knew that the player wasn't going to drop the 80% reset on me, then I could accept it. But i'll be damned it happens and I hate life.

    I'm with UFG on this... I have more respect for your play style. You'd rather crush someone with mind games. 54% damage for a bar... most characters get that some way or another .... or close to it.

    Still... having you keep pressuring with Cyrax is a players worst nightmare. Especially with command grab. Soooooooooooo underused by a majority of Cyrax players. It is more of a mind game then any set of bombs and nets you can throw.
  16. PND_Mustard

    PND_Mustard "More stealthful than the night"
    Premium Supporter

    thanks man i appreciate it, but even if the player is willing to pull the 70% resets, and decides to do this net vortex after the njp once the bomb catches them, thats just.. dirty as hell
  17. Somebody should apply Mustard's reset into the 70+ reset so that you get 70% damage and still get a vortex into pressure xD

    Also, Mustard. Since you're a respectable Cyrax, why are you doing vortex's?
  18. G4S J360

    G4S J360 i Use a modded cyber now
    Staff Member Moderator Premium Supporter

    Second net is awesome when you catch it really low. It puts you into massive advantage. I mainly catch second net deterioration pressure in the corner. I believe midscreen you just have to cut his bnb short by 2 hits to get the net properly.

    Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using Tapatalk
  19. PND_Mustard

    PND_Mustard "More stealthful than the night"
    Premium Supporter

    if you use the setup i mentioned you get the full advantage, and also like i said the guaranteed chip brings the damage total back to what it used to be anyway, and if you catch them guessing wrong its way more damage than usual too
  20. PND_Mustard

    PND_Mustard "More stealthful than the night"
    Premium Supporter

    because they're legit, you can get out of them
  21. UsedForGlue

    UsedForGlue Strength isn't everything
    Premium Supporter

    I like playing a really clean Cyrax without resets and what not.

    I already do JIP, :bp:fp Net or :en Net, NJP, :l:bp, :bp:fp :fk:fk Medium Bomb or finish with :fp:bp:fp Far Bomb, making the tech roll work out in my favour.

    For the most part, I will save for :x (which means my zoning game, if I choose to use it, will actually have more reason to be feared) or take meter with :en Electro Net, and I will only use his 56% One meter combo on opponents that constantly zone with projectilles on me, even though I have made it clear from the start of the fight that I don't try to mine field or net net net, and purposely try get a fight going.

    So, apart from that, I will never use his big combos, but if the opponent wants to play dirty, then Il give them cyrax's dirt, since that's what they are all about.
  22. PND_Mustard

    PND_Mustard "More stealthful than the night"
    Premium Supporter

    ive started playing a much more poke heavy cyrax as of late, really making the most of his other normals combined with the chest saw, and i think i have quite a nice balance of meter management for offence + defence, really having alot more fun with the character now.

    but long story short, this works, and i cant see any reason to not end every combo in it.
  23. Alice

    Alice Haaave you met Sektor?

    Seriously? Even in safety mode he would be beast. : (
    And with the rising of Cyblax it is just geting worse.
    It's not that I'm not digin it, but I feel ashamed when I go to fight with Cyrax.

    To the tech:
    I've been doing this for a while now, but really only for defensive purpose, never had
    the idea that it could keep up the rush. Thanks for it man, you just leveled me up.
  24. ELC

    ELC Mechanic Theorist

    How viable is F2 after a combo-ending Net in your experience, Mustard?
  25. PND_Mustard

    PND_Mustard "More stealthful than the night"
    Premium Supporter

    glad i could help.

    im not bothered if anyone else has already been doing this, all i know is ive not seen anyone put it to use, so i wanted to bring it to everyones attention.

Share This Page