All you Shmexy JC's out there

Discussion in 'Johnny Cage' started by Wigy, Sep 13, 2012.

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  1. Wigy

    Wigy Active Member

    I always hear people saying JC is good vs Smoke.

    Can you explain why?

    I Get annoying ass smokes running away and tossing smoke bombs all game, you cant even think of jumping in against a good smoke or you'll get caught out by one of his like 39 different AA moves.
    And the knee of doom doesnt seem to work cause it just gets toe poked out.

    Im using F3 2 Ex sludge balls to get in close and then following up with mixes of F3,11, 21 etc
    Is there something im missing? any tips?

    Cheers.
  2. Mikemetroid

    Mikemetroid NE Propaganda Artist Staff Member TYM|Premium Supporter

    I personally think its a 5-5 match up. You have to bait a lot of things for smoke to lose. He has to bait you into jumping or crouching. Also Smoke in the corner isn't so good for him compared to Cage in the corner.
  3. redeyes

    redeyes Button Masher

    they say hes at adv cause smoke has a hard time getting out if a cage is tricky enough with his mixups. smoke lacks armor and has a monstrous hitbox. 2 things cage loves.
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  4. GGA Dizzy

    GGA Dizzy False Information Police Officer TYM|Premium Supporter

    Cage is good against smoke players.
  5. RiBBz22

    RiBBz22 Scumbag Killer Frost / Smoke. Time Traveler. Staff Member Moderator

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    Smoke has slow normals. If a good Cage gets in it is really tough for the Smoke player to get out of his pressure other than using EX parry. Yeah, you can poke out of strings that are 0 on block, but you are still in a position that favors Cage.

    I play both characters and think it is 6-4 Cage. Yes, Smoke's anti-air is awesome, but if you screw one up or get deep jump kicked Cage is at a large advantage.
  6. Tokiwartoothxdk

    Tokiwartoothxdk Professional Lurker

    i personally believe its a 5-5 because of the way the match is played. smoke can run and never get cought or cage can catch him and he never gets out. some smoke players will say this is 7-3 cage though...
  7. RiBBz22

    RiBBz22 Scumbag Killer Frost / Smoke. Time Traveler. Staff Member Moderator

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    I don't know about run away and never get caught. Odds are you are going to get caught. Odds are you are never going to get out of the pressure. Advantage Cage, but not 7-3 Smoke has enough tools for sure.
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  8. Wigy

    Wigy Active Member

    how you keep a smoke locked down without an enhanced bar?

    I use x to catch people trying to jump out and F3 to catch people trying to toe poke, is it more or less a big 50.50?
  9. Wildabeast

    Wildabeast The Bat in the Hat

    Why not burn a bar? Cage builds meter like theres no tomorrow. You don't even need to keep Smoke locked down btw if he doesn't have a life lead he has to come to you.

    *edit: Just so you know, if they're throwing random Smoke Bombs a lot you can punish those on reaction with EX Shadow Kick (or the regular version if the distance is right)
  10. Wigy

    Wigy Active Member

    If there is any folks who would Wana spar me and tell me what I'm doing wrong that would be nice. (Xbox, Scotland) my GT is complicated so I'd need to add you.
  11. Gh0sty

    Gh0sty ばかみたいに無料

    Beware throwing out reg shadow kicks too predictably, like on wake up. Good Smoke's will see them coming a mile off and d4>>SB your ass. You could red kick instead, but that puts you full screen again, back into smoke bomb pressure.


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  12. Wildabeast

    Wildabeast The Bat in the Hat

    Smoke Bomb pressure? Smoke bomb doesn't chip and Cage can punish it on reaction. As long as you have the life lead let him smoke bomb all he wants its not gonna do him any good.
  13. Wigy

    Wigy Active Member

    Apart from building lots of meter
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  14. Gh0sty

    Gh0sty ばかみたいに無料

    The OP had issues getting in and staying in. Resetting Smoke to full screen with a red kick puts him back at square one.


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  15. Wildabeast

    Wildabeast The Bat in the Hat

    So shadow kick him, like I said you can do it on reaction to a random Smoke Bomb. If Cage has the life lead Smoke has to approach him, that's why this match is Cage's advantage. That and Smokes lack of armor and big ass hit box.
  16. FrothyOmen

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  17. Wigy

    Wigy Active Member

    They tend to not do it when i have meter and they smoke shift backwards smoke bomb smoke shift smoke bomb, this means if i EX shadow it misses cause they move back.
  18. RiBBz22

    RiBBz22 Scumbag Killer Frost / Smoke. Time Traveler. Staff Member Moderator

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    You don't play enough good Cages there is no way it is 5-5!
  19. Wildabeast

    Wildabeast The Bat in the Hat

    Then you just gotta play patiently, if you have the life lead there's no reason to do anything except play footsies and make him come to you. If Smoke has the lead than yes it becomes difficult for Cage but if you have it its REALLY difficult for Smoke.
  20. Clayman

    Clayman you don't get it, do you?

    Smoke has no armor, smoke has no way keeping cage out, smoking away just puts smoke closer to the corner and to his death. U just dash block to him, then show him ur knee.
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  21. Mikemetroid

    Mikemetroid NE Propaganda Artist Staff Member TYM|Premium Supporter

    :coffee:

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