Do you even lift bro? Workout thread....

DuskAlloy said:

Do you guys really come across that many assholes... every other person I know that was into fitness have been pretty cool guys?

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Same here its like maybe 1 of 15 dudes I have met in the gym are actually D-bags, Most dudes are real cool and will gladly jump in with you on sets or vise versa.

Creatine
Protein
Stimulants (pre workout)
& atleast a gallon of water daily
+ intermittent fasting

GNG Iniquity said:

It's much more difficult to put on weight than to lose weight. If you're a thin guy, it requires lots of eating, on top of lots of lifting. Quite frankly, the entire process in itself is pretty exhausting, not to mention time consuming and adds quite a bit of additional food expenses. You're going to have to force yourself to eat if you want good gains. It's by no means a mere 3 day a week thing for thin guys.

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You speak the good truth sir.

Just as a small example...

-Dude who is 240 5-11 mostly fat weight wants to drop down to 210 ( 30 pound loss ) This is completely doable in 3 months

-Dude who is 150 5-11 very skinny, wants to gain 10 pounds of muscle......This could very easily take a year of hard 4-6 days a week of training and a daily 3200 caloric intake +solid-protien-carb-fiber ratio.

GNG Iniquity said:

It's much more difficult to put on weight than to lose weight. If you're a thin guy, it requires lots of eating, on top of lots of lifting. Quite frankly, the entire process in itself is pretty exhausting, not to mention time consuming and adds quite a bit of additional food expenses. You're going to have to force yourself to eat if you want good gains. It's by no means a mere 3 day a week thing for thin guys.

Going to the gym, blowing off steam, and lifting weights is easy. Forcing myself to wake up in the middle of the night to cram a mixture of food, aspirin, and protein down my piehole is not.

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Iniquity pls. Putting on weight is alot easier than losing it lol

Loth Ryo said:

You speak the good truth sir.

Just as a small example...

-Dude who is 240 5-11 mostly fat weight wants to drop down to 210 ( 30 pound loss ) This is completely doable in 3 months

-Dude who is 150 5-11 very skinny, wants to gain 10 pounds of muscle......This could very easily take a year of hard 4-6 days a week of training and a daily 3200 caloric intake +solid-protien-carb-fiber ratio.

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Honestly, I gave up on it, and I can understand why others do as well. You have to seriously commit to it and the plateaus are going to seriously discourage you if you're not taking in the selective 3,200 caloric intake.

I'm 5'5" and weigh 110 lbs lmfao. I gave up a loooooooooooooong time ago

Death said:

Iniquity pls. Putting on weight is alot easier than losing it lol

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I'm 6'0 and I've been around 160lbs for 10 years now. Trust me, I eat, I just can't force myself to eat over 3,000 calories a day because it's gross and will typically make you want to vomit. Losing weight just requires eating less/better and a form of cardio. That's really it unless you have a thyroid problem.

Edit: Actually, I'm 167 now, from gaining a whopping 7lbs of muscle over the course of me attempting to gain muscle! lol.

DuskAlloy said:

Do you guys really come across that many assholes... every other person I know that was into fitness have been pretty cool guys?

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Luckily in the gym I'm going right now, most people are students, average 25-30 year old ordinary dudes/girls and milfs (lol). When I move to my parents' home though for the summer and go to a different gym, it is full of meatheads and sluts. I remember one time when one of these assholes was doing barbell curls in the squat rack for 40 friggin minutes, I kindly asked him if he could let me do squats and he told me to fuck myself

Death said:

Iniquity pls. Putting on weight is alot easier than losing it lol

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Not saying here that loosing weight is easy, because by any means it is not.

However being a personal trainer for 4 years now I have trained many of different clients and let me tell you, those who are trying to loose mass have a better/easier/ faster results then those training to gain mass.

That's just how it is in terms of the human body.

Also not talking about gaining fat- versus loosing fat. More so dropping bodyfat percentage versus gaining lean muscle mass.

ICE_C0LD_ZERO said:

Luckily in the gym I'm going right now, most people are students, average 25-30 year old ordinary dudes/girls and milfs (lol). When I move to my parents' home though for the summer and go to a different gym, that is full of meatheads and sluts. I remember one time when one of these assholes has doing barbell curls in the squat rack for 40 friggin minutes, I kindly asked him if he could let me do squats and he told me to fuck myself

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DEM GYM MILFS.

Ah god bless the creator of young pants, and god bless there popularity among the milfs lol

just Brazilian Jiu Jitsu under Matt Serra... I prefer Martial Arts over "going to the gym to lift" ... Dumbbells no hit back.... But lifting is a poisitive per se.... Those p90x and Insanity workouts are insaaaaaane... Id rather get punched in the head several times then do those lol .. They bore the hell out of me ... (although again they are effective)

REDRUM said:

just Brazilian Jiu Jitsu under Matt Serra... I prefer Martial Arts over "going to the gym to lift" ... Dumbbells no hit back

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I thought Jiu Jitsu was a grappling based sport, so while getting thown on your ass hurts as much as getting hit... it's not technically getting "Hit"

DuskAlloy said:

I thought Jiu Jitsu was a grappling based sport, so while getting thown on your ass hurts as much as getting hit... it's not technically getting "Hit"

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We mix in strikes as well... BUt what I meant about "Dumbbell's not hitting back" is that a lot of people hit the gym hard, get shredded and for some reason think they are great at fighting based off the size of their arms or chest...

I started working out a few years back so that i could pull off a sick Sweet Tooth Halloween costume. All da bitchez waz lyke dayum you fine.

Making All Kiindz Of Gainz.... All Kiiindz

REDRUM said:

We mix in strikes as well... BUt what I meant about Dumbbell's not hitting back is that a lot of people hit the gym hard, get shredded and for some reason think they are great at fighting based off the size of their arms or chest...

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Wait so is it some sort of MMA hybrid class or just a specific form of it? Yeah Ive met some guys like that, but there is some truth to it though, when two guys who are trained fight and one is a lot bigger the smaller guy is gonna lose most of the time

DuskAlloy said:

Wait so is it some sort of MMA hybrid class or just a specific form of it? Yeah Ive met some guys like that, but there is some truth to it though, when two guys who are trained fight and one is a lot bigger the smaller guy is gonna lose most of the time

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If both have completely equal training this is SOME truth to that.

However his point is that people believe that training for hypertrophy ( bodybuilding ) is going to make them a great fighter, While I was training MMA I had a very difficult time putting on muscle mass however, I could dominate in sparring or grappling any of my bodybuilder friends who had easily 50 pounds on me.

However in my MMA training there was a dude who was a college wrestler heavy weight and I could literally do nothing against his strength/takedown

Loth Ryo said:

Not saying here that loosing weight is easy, because by any means it is not.

However being a personal trainer for 4 years now I have trained many of different clients and let me tell you, those who are trying to loose mass have a better/easier/ faster results then those training to gain mass.

That's just how it is in terms of the human body.

Also not talking about gaining fat- versus loosing fat. More so dropping bodyfat percentage versus gaining lean muscle mass.

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Yeah from a statistical point I agree 100%. Losing 30-50lbs of fat can be done a lot faster than gaining 30-50lbs of muscle. People can go their whole life training and never gain 50 lbs of lean muscle. What I meant was from a mental stand point its easier. I was in good shape for most of my life and trained in sports. I even wrestled throughout elementary/high school and was always into fitness and diet. But I got hella off track at the end of university and had to lose all my weight again and man that was a brutal process. When your overweight you have to fix your diet and be pretty strict which is hard and you have to do a ton of cardio. LBSH cardio is a pain especially when your obese.

I think people who are skinny and complain they dont gain weight take it for granted. Only worrying about weight lifting and eating more is a lot better lol at least in my opinion.

Loth Ryo said:

If both have completely equal training this is SOME truth to that.

However his point is that people believe that training for hypertrophy ( bodybuilding ) is going to make them a great fighter, While I was training MMA I had a very difficult time putting on muscle mass however, I could dominate in sparring or grappling any of my bodybuilder friends who had easily 50 pounds on me.


However in my MMA training there was a dude who was a college wrestler heavy weight and I could literally do nothing against his strength/takedown

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I couldnt agree more with this. When I started training again near the end of last year I would go up against some guys much bigger and stronger than me but on the mat or in the ring I noticed their stamina and speed was a lot slower and even after a minute of hard grappling they felt much weaker than me. But when I lifted with them they lifted way more than I did. This is the main reason why I stay away from weights.

I always shake my head at guys who think their strong by what they lift lol

Death said:

Yeah from a statistical point I agree 100%. Losing 30-50lbs of fat can be done a lot faster than gaining 30-50lbs of muscle. People can go their whole life training and never gain 50 lbs of lean muscle. What I meant was from a mental stand point its easier. I was in good shape for most of my life and trained in sports. I even wrestled throughout elementary/high school and was always into fitness and diet. But I got hella off track at the end of university and had to lose all my weight again and man that was a brutal process. When your overweight you have to fix your diet and be pretty strict which is hard and you have to do a ton of cardio. LBSH cardio is a pain especially when your obese.

I think people who are skinny and complain they dont gain weight take it for granted. Only worrying about weight lifting and eating more is a lot better lol at least in my opinion.

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It goes both ways. You can look at someone like me and think, "That guy is skinny! I want to be skinny too!" Typically, skinnier guys that want to gain muscle have a similar train of thought, except it consists of, "If I was that weight to begin with I wouldn't have to eat 3,200+ calories a day and wake up in the middle of the night to eat on top of consciously making the decision to destroy my muscles and be in such pain that I can barely walk to take a piss in the morning."

The main thing I've found from people who're overweight is that they're afraid they'll be judged if they're outside doing some cardio. The average person isn't going to drive by you yelling at you for being overweight; the majority of us will just drive by or give you an encouraging thumbs up. If some skinny bitch at the gym gives you a nasty look, whatever, she's a bitch. The typical gym girl that does nothing but cardio and runs herself to be nothing but skin and bones is an idiot anyways. They're not healthy at all so you shouldn't even pay them any attention.

GNG Iniquity said:

It goes both ways. You can look at someone like me and think, "That guy is skinny! I want to be skinny too!" Typically, skinnier guys that want to gain muscle have a similar train of thought, except it consists of, "If I was that weight to begin with I wouldn't have to eat 3,200+ calories a day and wake up in the middle of the night to eat on top of consciously making the decision to destroy my muscles and be in such pain that I can barely walk to take a piss in the morning."

The main thing I've found from people who're overweight is that they're afraid they'll be judged if they're outside doing some cardio. The average person isn't going to drive by you yelling at you for being overweight; the majority of us will just drive by or give you an encouraging thumbs up. If some skinny bitch at the gym gives you a nasty look, whatever, she's a bitch. The typical gym girl that does nothing but cardio and runs herself to be nothing but skin and bones is an idiot anyways.

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Man get outta here. You skinny bitches are lucky lol

Death said:

Man get outta here. You skinny bitches are lucky lol

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I've seen multiple friends who're much heavier than I am and have never made a conscious decision to lift weights in their life effortlessly lift 200lbs. I can't even bench 100lbs after months of trying to build muscle; that's quite frustrating. A lot of overweight people look at the weight as something they just want to get rid of. Skinny guys who want to gain muscle look at is as potential that they're likely never going to put on.

Strong > skinny. Look at the modern strongmen. They're not typically chiseled; they're just enormous guys who're incredibly strong. Aesthetics are far from everything. Also, those strongmen fall under the categorization as 'overweight', but they're in far better shape than I'll ever be.

The only things I've ever done is runs, volleyball, tennis, and yoga for fitness.

Death said:

I think people who are skinny and complain they dont gain weight take it for granted. Only worrying about weight lifting and eating more is a lot better lol at least in my opinion.



This is the main reason why I stay away from weights.

I always shake my head at guys who think their strong by what they lift lol

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Loosing weight can be extremely challenging, here is why, fat cells are literally a stored energy source.....

Meaning that you are pushing a rock up hill when trying to drop bodyfat percentages ( if you have a high one ).

However in reality it only appears this way, I have had clients who were fairly obese ( big people, 20%+ bodyfat ) tell me that they have tried loosing weight but just hate the cardio and dieting and it became to difficult to drop the weight. After 3 months of training with me EVERY single one of those clients ( the obese ones ) were so surprised that with the right mind set and metaphysical focus they were able to drop anywhere from 15-40 pounds in around 3 months. As with the dieting for weight loss was not as strict as they previously believed and that a COMBINATION of strength training/ cardio allowed them a great approach to drop the weight.

Again not saying it is easy, but it is totally doable given the right knowledge and understanding of what needs to be done ( a lot of people miss interrupt what they need to do)

However an ectomorph does not simply need to "worry" about weight lifting and eating, they have to COMPLETELY destroy a progress overload program, this means that not for a mere 3-6 months but rather a full year they have to increasingly progress with weight overload by atleast 5% and still keeping rest periods to a under 60 seconds for maximum time under tension ( this promotes the hypertrophy ) All while force feeding cleans food, just because you are naturally skinny and you want to put on muscle mass does not mean you can suddenly eat a ton of junk food, you have to eat the SAME clean food that an obese person would need to eat but rather eat that x6-8 times per day.

The progress overload ideal that they need to master, can alone cause serve injury as in order for the muscle to continue to experience hypertrophy the weight needs the week by week 5% increase where as the tendons are put under extreme stress.

I completely understand your point Death as weight loss is no easy task especially if the person has been inactive for some time, but the skinny guy has a much longer road head. If i may make a comparison.......its sorta like the overweight person needs to push the stone UP hill for 20 feet at a 55 degree angle ( no easy task what so ever) While the skinny guy has to push the stone up a 100 feet at a 30 degree angle.

Both equally facing there own set of challenges.

and last thing I completely respect anyone who competes in sports that involve "how much can you lift"

Do not deny the effectiveness of iron.....Look at every professional athlete ( out side of distance pro's) They all have some form of weight lifting on the regular.

Think of Anderson silva, Jon jones, Lebron James, etc etc all these guys train in there respect sport as well as with weights on the regular.

Hell the Spartans trained with stone lifting on the regular to the keep the soldiers a physical match for any other nation

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I'll use my ex as an example. She'll eat a bag of chips and a thing of Rolos while she studies. That's 2,050 calories alone. That's not including the sugar and fat. Food becomes comfort for a lot of people and I understand that but god damn...people eat A LOT of crap. She'll still complain about gaining/not losing weight and it's no wonder. She knows better but she still does it. I can only assume that she had the average 2k calories as well...so that's 4,050 calories of at least 50% junk for the day.

That's really beyond basic nutrition right there and a lot of people don't seem to grasp that.

My problem is consistancy. But a lot of times that is because of my job vs. gym hours and that sadly also translates to the nutrition side more than I'd like. I do my utmost to eat very healty. I think it's funny when I'm at the grocery store and they ask me if i have any coupons and I always say no because they don't put out coupons for anything but garbage food. My biggest downfall on the nutrition side is Beer, I love it! I even home brew. And it's hard to play Injustice without one.

I get up early mon-fri and either run or swim before work. In the afternoon I will throwdown on a workout, weekends are for rest or a recovery bike ride or jog or something. I can say that you get out of it what you put into it. I don't do your standard body building lifting. The easiest way to describe it is that it's kinda like Crossfit, but we're not part of that silly cult. The guy that owns my gym actually goes to Crossfit comps just to out perform them and laugh at them, but I also suspect he's a mutant lol. Anyway It's basically thought out programed very high intensity training (basically balls to wall workouts, unless it's a strength only day, everyone should do squats, key to everything!) covering several areas, gymnastic type stuff, strength training, and endurance at times. The funny thing is that so many people think that style of training is new or shocking but it's been going on for a long long time. Everyone just got caught up in the bodybuilding style training in the last few decades and forgot about it and now its OMG can you believe they flip tractor tires and hit them with hammers and drag them, it's crazy lol. For instance the P90x and insanity concepts are not new! They may be new to many people but they're not new. Any program you follow will benefit you and I'm not knocking them at all, just an example. They're actually good programs if you follow them.