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Should Kabal be banned in competitive play? (Community Discussion)

Should Kabal be banned?


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RampaginDragon

Loses to uppercuts
You avoided my question and are putting words in my mouth. I'm asking you: how do YOU know what's broken?
Because I play against high level players on a regualr bases and play the game a LOT.


Firstly, if you want to talk about paying attention to majorities, then you can start by paying attention to the majority that have voted in this thread's poll.

Secondly, you have had many logical responses, you're just not supplying everyone with enough material to make us agree that Kabal is currently ban-worthy. As Juggernaut said, the onus isn't on us to prove that Kabal should or shouldn't be banned, the onus is on you to prove that he should be. A character is only banned as a last resort when no fun or competitive matches can be derived from playing against that character with other characters. Currently, Kabal seems to have some VERY competitive matches, and a lot of people also seem to still be having fun playing against him.
I don't know what he means by "I need to prove it". Does he mean I need to pick up Kabal and go to majors and win? Because there are other people doing that right now. And if he were having truely competitive match's, everyone and their dick wouldn't be picking him up so that they can deal with him. And if by that he means that I should state reasons why I think he should be banned until patched, I have done that multipal times as well.

Arguably no MU's under 6-4.
No weaknesses.
Builds meter 2x + faster than any other fighter in the game.
Has better reset options at the end of a combo than SONYA... SONYA.
Arguably the best zoner.
Arguably the best rushdown.
Block infinite.
He is most likely going to ruin the game in the near future if he dosn't get nerfed/banned.

These are my reasons why I think he should be banned. Can you disagree with any of these reasons?
And if not, can you read these and say he is fine in competitive play and nothing should be done about him? If so, then I simply disagree and that is the end of it.



Then you aren't seeing the full picture.


Most people have been arguing with you in a civil manner, you're just extremely defensive.
I am not being definsive. I am just irratated, and that is why I didn't want to discuss it further. I am being much more rude than I normally ever am on here because of the minuscule amount of logically thought out replys I am getting.


6-4 is still a TOTALLY competitive match.
I agree. Its 6-4, on top of all the things in the list I have above. Not competitive.
 

REO

Undead
Arguably no MU's under 6-4.
No weaknesses.
Builds meter 2x + faster than any other fighter in the game.
Has better reset options at the end of a combo than SONYA... SONYA.
Arguably the best zoner.
Arguably the best rushdown.
Block infinite.
He is most likely going to ruin the game in the near future if he dosn't get nerfed/banned.
Kabal lived alongside with UMK:3 for over 20+ years of life, why can't he do the same again in MK:9?
 

AYSAMO

Noob
This 100%. I know how to handle Kabal mainly because I've been playing him for so long. I can't prove that to anyone because no other character has been explored like I did with Kabal, mirrors wont prove anything. I really do believe a few characters have the potential to go even when people finally understand the match up. Another example is Lui Kang. It could be still 6/4 kabal since his hitbox but he has good tools to use against kabal. IMO, 6/4 doesn't mean its a bad match up.
His hitbox is high, but I have a way harder time getting destroyed by jax f4 string all day then I do against kabal 2NDC which I can just uppercut. Kabal vs Kang is 5-5. I know this MU well.
 

Wildabeast

The Bat in the Hat
eliminate the dash cancel, kabal fixed.
Do that and bam; Kabal has no offensive game whatsoever. The only fair nerf you could give to Kabal is to either slow down IaGB or give it some sort of recovery.

And no i don't think he should be banned, atleast not yet. If Evos top 8 is nothing but Kabals then maybe its time to start talking about such things.
 

RampaginDragon

Loses to uppercuts
Kabal lived alongside with UMK:3 for over 20+ years of life, why can't he do the same again in MK:9?
That game IS dead. No big tournament scene, and very few people play it competitivly. How long did it last once everyone only started using Kabal competitivly? Or did it ever turn into that? Because if it did never turn into that, then you can't compare these two games. And if it did, like it will in this game, how long did it last after wards?
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
That game IS dead. No big tournament scene, and very few people play it competitivly. How long did it last once everyone only started using Kabal competitivly? Or did it ever turn into that? Because if it did never turn into that, then you can't compare these two games. And if it did, like it will in this game, how long did it last after wards?
...How the hell can you talk about the UMK3 scene, have you ever seen or played the game competitively?
 

Wildabeast

The Bat in the Hat
That game IS dead. No big tournament scene, and very few people play it competitivly. How long did it last once everyone only started using Kabal competitivly? Or did it ever turn into that? Because if it did never turn into that, then you can't compare these two games. And if it did, like it will in this game, how long did it last after wards?
You keep saying it will but it hasn't yet. until you can prove that no one can beat REO with a character other than Kabal than there is no reason to ban Kabal.

Even if Kabal's worst matchup is indeed a 6-4 that still doesn't make him worth banning. Why? Because 4-6 matchups are winnable.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME




Every day this thread isn't deleted; I'm going to post progressively controversial pictures.
This needs to be remembered when it comes time to nominate a Post Of The Year.

This argument is a disaster.

My final verdict: If the big shows of the summer all go by, and Kabal isn't completely, utterly, infectiously dominant to the point everyone really does end up picking him up for longer than a little while, then fuck it, leave him alone.

Every game needs a greatest, hardest challenge. MK9 is no different.
It sucks, but if it's never gonna be adjusted, then it's time to nut up or shut up, I suppose.
 

RampaginDragon

Loses to uppercuts
You keep saying it will but it hasn't yet. until you can prove that no one can beat REO with a character other than Kabal than there is no reason to ban Kabal.

Even if Kabal's worst matchup is indeed a 6-4 that still doesn't make him worth banning. Why? Because 4-6 matchups are winnable.
This has nothing to do with REO. Just Kabal. Yes he is possibal to beat I never said he wasn't. But he is so hard to beat that the only way to have a sure fire chance at beating Kabal, is by using Kabal, and to me that is fucked up enough to be banned.
 

RampaginDragon

Loses to uppercuts
I am DONE replying to any posts from now on. The argument is over everyone. I have stated my point. Thank you Dark_Rob, circle masher and REO for being civil and logical about this with me.
 

SZSR

Noob
...How the hell can you talk about the UMK3 scene, have you ever seen or played the game competitively?
I'd just like to point out that everything I thought up to say you already posted before me Zoidberg. Know that I appreciate your putting down the words so all I have to do is click the like button. :p :D :)
 

AREZ God of War

The Crazy BeastMaster
That game IS dead. No big tournament scene, and very few people play it competitivly. How long did it last once everyone only started using Kabal competitivly? Or did it ever turn into that? Because if it did never turn into that, then you can't compare these two games. And if it did, like it will in this game, how long did it last after wards?
False.

Oh sorry, are there any majors for UMK 3 going on? Guess I have been left in the dark about them.
That's what happens when you speak before you actually know what's really going on.

Because I play against high level players on a regualr bases and play the game a LOT.
yea, ONLINE, which means nothing to how the game is played at offline tournaments. You are not playing the game the way it is played normally.
 

Gurpwnder

Saikyo Student
I think this really needs to be discussed when Kabal actually becomes the unstoppable force that some of us are imagining him to be. At the moment, I think a lot of us are just freaking out over the fact that some of the top players are flocking to Kabal. We have yet to see Kabal dominate. I don't think we should discuss banning him over the metagame centralizing monster he could THEORETICALLY become - I say we wait until he actually becomes that monster, and if he is unable to be dealt with, we DISCUSS banning him.

But that's just my two cents
 

Wildabeast

The Bat in the Hat
This has nothing to do with REO. Just Kabal. Yes he is possibal to beat I never said he wasn't. But he is so hard to beat that the only way to have a sure fire chance at beating Kabal, is by using Kabal, and to me that is fucked up enough to be banned.
If its possible to beat the best Kabal player in the world with other characters than the character is not worth banning. When you ban a character from tournaments you're telling someone like Reo "hey you know that character you spent hours upon hours every day learning to play? Well now you can't use him because even though we can beat you its just way too hard and we don't want to try anymore. Waaa Waaa." Unless the character is absolutely unbeatable at the highest level it will not be banned because its not fair to the people that have put in the time to master that character.
 
relatively easy
everything but this !
NO HE IS NOT EASY TO PICK ! ... BUT , he is not as hard as u guys think he is too .

I mean like if we made a scale of 10 considering CYRAX as ( 1 ) and kitana as ( 6 ) and maybe reptile as ( 5 ) ... KABAL would be ( 8 ) NOT ( 10 ) at all !
 

teh_jawNie

Teh God Himself
everything but this !
NO HE IS NOT EASY TO PICK ! ... BUT , he is not as hard as u guys think he is too .

I mean like if we made a scale of 10 considering CYRAX as ( 1 ) and kitana as ( 6 ) and maybe reptile as ( 5 ) ... KABAL would be ( 8 ) NOT ( 10 ) at all !
whos a 10 then?