No. I have no real problems with Cage. Just salt. You don't think almost all the top players running to Kabal is him dominating the scene?RampaginDragon, I don't really think Kabal is dominating the scene so much as Reo is. Just wondering, did you petition for Cage to be banned after MLG? 4 players in the top 8 used Cage, which seems much more centralized than Kabal seems to be now.
I don't think that will happen. I for one won't be complaining about Kenshi or Sonya etc. unless they somehow end up on the same route Kabal is going. Full competitive domination,.As fucked up as I think Kabal is I don't feel he is broken enough to warrant a ban, although I am kind of on the fence about it. If he did happen to get banned Kenshi would most likely be the next big thing and everyone will be complaining about him. The biggest game changer in my opinion is the dash nerf, which inadvertently turned kabal into the super character of the game, even though his other block infinite was removed.
+1 Brandon. The dash nerf was huge.The biggest game changer in my opinion is the dash nerf.
True, but what if Kabal just ends up being another flavor of the month? Since Kabal's getting a lot of exposure, people will start developing counter-strategies against him, just give it some time. If he ends up dominating like you believe he will, people will be forced to learn how to win with their current mains. If that ends up being impossible, then we may have a legitimate problem on our hands. Either way, I think we as a community just need to let this play out for a little longer, so more tech can be discovered with other characters.No. I have no real problems with Cage. Just salt. You don't think almost all the top players running to Kabal is him dominating the scene?
THIS is where I kind of see a fallacy in the defense of Kabal. I used to be a huge proponent of "flavor of the month" characters meaning nothing because new tech will usually be found. I am still right, but that doesnt change the fact that Kabal is not a flavor of the month character. He is by far the best in the game, and has so many tools that even if new tech shuts down one, he has so many other options it does not matter. I do agree we need to let this play out for longer. Maybe until after EVO, although it will be interesting to see how Kabal fairs at MLG and ECT this weekend.True, but what if Kabal just ends up being another flavor of the month? Since Kabal's getting a lot of exposure, people will start developing counter-strategies against him, just give it some time. If he ends up dominating like you believe he will, people will be forced to learn how to win with their current mains. If that ends up being impossible, then we may have a legitimate problem on our hands. Either way, I think we as a community just need to let this play out for a little longer, so more tech can be discovered with other characters.
can u explain this to me , in depth if possible?+1 Brandon. The dash nerf was huge.
The thing is, once a character starts centralizing the game, sooner or later it will become second nature learning how to deal with them. I'll give you a personal example from the SF4 series. I used to face a lot of Sagats online back when he was popular. A lot of his damage comes from people jumping at him, and him anti airing appropriately. After I learned to simply bulldog (inch forward, and block every projectile without ever jumping) through his projectile maze, I learned how to deal with him. He was still the best character in the game by far, but after many matches - I learned the general gameplan of Sagat and it became second nature to me how to deal with him. Perhaps the same can be done for Kabal (The learning to deal with him, not the bulldogging)?THIS is where I kind of see a fallacy in the defense of Kabal. I used to be a huge proponent of "flavor of the month" characters meaning nothing because new tech will usually be found. I am still right, but that doesnt change the fact that Kabal is not a flavor of the month character. He is by far the best in the game, and has so many tools that even if new tech shuts down one, he has so many other options it does not matter. I do agree we need to let this play out for longer. Maybe until after EVO, although it will be interesting to see how Kabal fairs at MLG and ECT this weekend.
Bulldogging is how I deal with iaGBs. Hell it is the only way unless you have fullscreen armor. Yes more people need to be familiar with the kabal matchup and look more into it. That being said he still has so many more tools than most of the cast that even with new tech he will most likely remain the best in the game unless he is nerfed. I have no problem with this personally, and definitely do not think he should be banned.The thing is, once a character starts centralizing the game, sooner or later it will become second nature learning how to deal with them. I'll give you a personal example from the SF4 series. I used to face a lot of Sagats online back when he was popular. A lot of his damage comes from people jumping at him, and him anti airing appropriately. After I learned to simply bulldog (inch forward, and block every projectile without ever jumping) through his projectile maze, I learned how to deal with him. He was still the best character in the game by far, but after many matches - I learned the general gameplan of Sagat and it became second nature to me how to deal with him. Perhaps the same can be done for Kabal (The learning to deal with him, not the bulldogging)?
BTW, I main Dan in the SF4 series, so I have an idea of how frustrating some top tier characters can be
Basically you used to be able to cancel a dash into another dash. In terms of Kabal this made his instant air gas blasts more powerful since the dash nerf made it WAY harder to get in on him when he's zoning. I know with some characters like Rain this prevented them from doing certain combos, and also changed some matchups.can u explain this to me , in depth if possible?
I don't follow.....a NERF made him better?Basically you used to be able to cancel a dash into another dash. In terms of Kabal this made his instant air gas blasts more powerful since the dash nerf made it WAY harder to get in on him when he's zoning. I know with some characters like Rain this prevented them from doing certain combos, and also changed some matchups.
Yeah but it wasn't a character specific nerf...it stopped all characters from being able to cancel dash into another dash.I don't follow.....a NERF made him better?
Oh, not Nomad Dash....just plain ol' universal F,F? Sorry, I never really played the old broken version....that was my promise to myself....that I wouldn't even touch the game until it was actually finished LOL......so here I am back with NightWolf again.Yeah but it wasn't a character specific nerf...it stopped all characters from being able to cancel dash into another dash.
And because of that some characters became uttery shit, and Kabal earned his own tierYeah but it wasn't a character specific nerf...it stopped all characters from being able to cancel dash into another dash.
circle masher said:Out of curiosity, how do you know what's broken?
You avoided my question and are putting words in my mouth. I'm asking you: how do YOU know what's broken?RampaginDragon said:How does REO know what is broken? Because he has played at a major? That statement has no back bone in the slightest.
Firstly, if you want to talk about paying attention to majorities, then you can start by paying attention to the majority that have voted in this thread's poll.RampaginDragon said:- He has no bad MUs: opinion(probably true, but opinion) The large majority agree
- He has the best rushdown and zoning in the game(again opinion) "Arguably" The best. And I am sure the large majority agrees
- He is broken(opinion) Large majority agrees
- He needs to be banned(opinion) I agree. This is what I have been attempting to debate this entire time but in the whole span of this, I have had very few logical responses. So either they can't debate it because they know I am right, but still refuse to agree because they are whipped by top players opinions, or they are all, you know, missing some cards out of 52. But I am guessing its the former.
No.RampaginDragon said:I just don't see why we should't do it now just because we've never done it before. That is not a great excuse to let a game die out. I guess at this point all we will do is sit and wait until he wins the majors up until EVO, then win EVO, THEN MAYBE his banning will be up for real discusion. I just don' see why we should wait that loong. Its obvious now, is it not?
Most people have been arguing with you in a civil manner, you're just extremely defensive.RampaginDragon said:You are one of the like 3 only posts in all these pages that didn't instantly make me want to rip my hair out. Which is why I am fine talking with you about it.
6-4 is still a TOTALLY competitive match.RampaginDragon said:And according to REO, he has no 5-5's. And I kind of agree. If he does manage to have one 5-5 or two 5-5's, those can easily be within the realm of opinion, and it can still be said his worst MU is 6-4.
kabal is a broken character, with a retarded learning curve tht i dnt care to get past. kabal should be banned, but thts not to say hes an easy character, u ladiesThis character has no bad match-ups, dominates all characters in the game, and is relatively easy to pick up and effective in some of the most basic hands.
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So why is he so broken if it takes 3-6 months of practice with him just to get to the point where you can be considered good? Isn't that simply taking the time to learn a more difficult character? I think people are just mad cuz they can't learn him. I can learn almost any character in any fighting game, and I just didn't have the time to invest in Kabal....so it's MY fault, no one else's.kabal is a broken character, with a retarded learning curve tht i dnt care to get past. kabal should be banned, but thts not to say hes an easy character, u ladies