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You attended one 8 man tournament, months after the rest of the UK had long stopped playing, and came 3rd. You played well, you ARE a good player, but you need to bring it where it counts. Not online where it's nothing. I'm very disappointed to see you acting so oblivious to this.
Y'know there'd be some actual footage of you playing competitively in a way people would notice if you actually turned up, MK had a good couple of years of consistent good turnouts but you were never there, you had the chance and you missed it. Not being a dick, just saying it how it is.

Yeah in 2012 we took on the US, and we lost, it happens, I myself didn't get bodied completely and did alright, which I'm comfortable looking back on. So don't turn around and say "that was them not us", because we took the initiative and had the passion to fly to the other side of the world to play. Not sitting from our bedrooms claiming we're godlike, we took it out there and showed we could play.

As much as I love MK9 as a game, competitively in the UK it's irrelevant now. if you want to prove you're a top player and even the best in the world, play MKX, travel for it, compete, show us all why you're the best. You'll receive no props for playing from the comfort of your home if there are people out there putting in 10X the effort you are where it matters.

You attended one 8 man tournament, months after the rest of the UK had long stopped playing, and came 3rd. You played well, you ARE a good player, but you need to bring it where it counts. Not online where it's nothing. I'm very disappointed to see you acting so oblivious to this.
Y'know there'd be some actual footage of you playing competitively in a way people would notice if you actually turned up, MK had a good couple of years of consistent good turnouts but you were never there, you had the chance and you missed it. Not being a dick, just saying it how it is.

Yeah in 2012 we took on the US, and we lost, it happens, I myself didn't get bodied completely and did alright, which I'm comfortable looking back on. So don't turn around and say "that was them not us", because we took the initiative and had the passion to fly to the other side of the world to play. Not sitting from our bedrooms claiming we're godlike, we took it out there and showed we could play.

As much as I love MK9 as a game, competitively in the UK it's irrelevant now. if you want to prove you're a top player and even the best in the world, play MKX, travel for it, compete, show us all why you're the best. You'll receive no props for playing from the comfort of your home if there are people out there putting in 10X the effort you are where it matters.

You attended one 8 man tournament, months after the rest of the UK had long stopped playing, and came 3rd. You played well, you ARE a good player, but you need to bring it where it counts. Not online where it's nothing. I'm very disappointed to see you acting so oblivious to this.
LOL surprised at you mustard . next tournament ill smash ur pad and see how you do like i had to play . i told u and the audience through my games my dpad was pushed in and buttons were sticky . why do you think i chose baraka and sheeva and kl . did i chose my mains? , no . you took it the wrong way . someone said "uk vs usa weve seen this before and know how it ends" , i said that wasnt me and chris . yeh PHOSFERRAX WON i told him before too and u my pad was fuked from train lol. i didmt even chose scarlett smoke or cage because i was saving them for that evo! ! didnt want anyone seeing my tricks pre hand . phosferrax i really like as a person and played him lots before that tourny and he'll admit he knows id usually destroy him even with sheeva . hence why he said before game " please dont humiliate me with sheeva" , and i said dont worry my pads fuked im just gna mess about amyway . you really think id even chose kang vs cyrax????? your a fool . i had some respect for you before this what you wrote . both you and your bro stirring stuff . again I WENT to tourny chose baraka and sheeva and kl vs his reptile. dont spout things making out the circumstances were fair lmao . you really think if i had perfect pad with my mains youd destroy me? , hilarious . you represented and failed . didnt even make it out of pools loooooooool . you have no idea how far we came compared to what you were then . how can you even post this after i said to you in person about pad. then you write this lmao . such a joke you came second with your main with working pad vs phosferrax . and you call me out about coming 3rd cos of it when this "online warrior " beat your brother 3-0 under my circumstance after playing 20minutes on lan for first time with that pad . you lost all my respect from this . didnt even put down the whole story. lol ur a joke mate . if we went usa we'd either win or top 3 easy lol.
 

trustinme

xbl-OBS trustinme
despite whatever has been discussed so far and whoever maybe right or wrong Id just like to say that I can't wait for the uk vs USA rivalry to start again in mkx,it's going to be hype as hell and whatever @xarakamaka proved or didn't prove in mk9 I'm looking forward to see what he can do in mkx along with all my other top beloved uk players.
it's going to be interesting to say the least.
hope u all enjoy your evening.
 

trustinme

xbl-OBS trustinme
despite whatever has been discussed so far and whoever maybe right or wrong Id just like to say that I can't wait for the uk vs USA rivalry to start again in mkx,it's going to be hype as hell and whatever @xarakamaka proved or didn't prove in mk9 I'm looking forward to see what he can do in mkx along with all my other top beloved uk players.
it's going to be interesting to say the least.
hope u all enjoy your evening.
 
thanks dudethats the thing i never have had a chance to proove myself on mk. mustard and ketchup just stuck there noses in when i never said anything bad bout them lol thought mustard was cool before this . he dont know how i play . at least you remember trust in me lol :D
despite whatever has been discussed so far and whoever maybe right or wrong Id just like to say that I can't wait for the uk vs USA rivalry to start again in mkx,it's going to be hype as hell and whatever @xarakamaka proved or didn't prove in mk9 I'm looking forward to see what he can do in mkx along with all my other top beloved uk players.
it's going to be interesting to say the least.
hope u all enjoy your evening.
 

RM AtK!

aka - RM_AtK !
I'm not salty. Smoke players outside Wafflez are free.
That's not very nice.. I love wafflez hes a cool dood n i like his smoke. He probably has some of the best conversions n spacing outa everyone. But you discredit xSMoKEx all the time when hes shown hes an amazing player.

You can't just say hes almost beat a good player.. That player was reo. And reo has beaten everyone in this community. I don't think wafflez took a round off reo in tourney when dan almost beat him.. And that's no discredit to wafflez. I'm just saying you can't say hes free or a scrub when he isn't. That's not keeping it real, that's being a dick
 

PND_Mustard

"More stealthful than the night"
Premium Supporter
LOL surprised at you mustard . next tournament ill smash ur pad and see how you do like i had to play . i told u and the audience through my games my dpad was pushed in and buttons were sticky . why do you think i chose baraka and sheeva and kl . did i chose my mains? , no . you took it the wrong way . someone said "uk vs usa weve seen this before and know how it ends" , i said that wasnt me and chris . yeh PHOSFERRAX WON i told him before too and u my pad was fuked from train lol. i didmt even chose scarlett smoke or cage because i was saving them for that evo! ! didnt want anyone seeing my tricks pre hand . phosferrax i really like as a person and played him lots before that tourny and he'll admit he knows id usually destroy him even with sheeva . hence why he said before game " please dont humiliate me with sheeva" , and i said dont worry my pads fuked im just gna mess about amyway . you really think id even chose kang vs cyrax????? your a fool . i had some respect for you before this what you wrote . both you and your bro stirring stuff . again I WENT to tourny chose baraka and sheeva and kl vs his reptile. dont spout things making out the circumstances were fair lmao . you really think if i had perfect pad with my mains youd destroy me? , hilarious . you represented and failed . didnt even make it out of pools loooooooool . you have no idea how far we came compared to what you were then . how can you even post this after i said to you in person about pad. then you write this lmao . such a joke you came second with your main with working pad vs phosferrax . and you call me out about coming 3rd cos of it when this "online warrior " beat your brother 3-0 under my circumstance after playing 20minutes on lan for first time with that pad . you lost all my respect from this . didnt even put down the whole story. lol ur a joke mate . if we went usa we'd either win or top 3 easy lol.
You're really not paying attention to the right parts mate. I know you are a good player, you always have been. I'm not saying any different, but right now you are disrespecting soooo many players you have no idea.

The people you're shitting on have put countless hours into MK9, spent years competing and travelling for it, earned their tourney wins and thus earned the props they're getting. Right now you've just played online, you went to a tournament with faulty equipment and are disregarding the entire thing because of it. If your shit doesn't work that's on you, my pad broke before I played Phos there but you don't see me complaining about it because I knew it was my fault for not checking it before.

Of course you guys are ahead of people back then, it's been 2 years and no one plays anymore.

Also, I got top 32 at Evo, thank you.
 
im fair ill watch it now :)
@GGA Dizzy, people doubting ur skills is laughable lol. U should link them to our match at ufgt 2013, one of the most gdlk footsies matches to date in mk9 #YEEAAPP
:)thats the thing
@trustinme

You think this guy will ever show up in the US? Come on.

To use your words, I hope you enjoy your evening.
i talk smack back when ppl are rude but anyone who knows me knows i can back my stuff up . thing is you dont know if im biggest noob u ever seen or how good or bad i am . this was a smoke mu discussion and talking about frame n numbers and why players play like they do. And still not one person gave me an answer . mk9 scene bit of a joke compared to other fighting games . cant even answer any my questions . just have a digg at me . yet id bet money wouldnt lose to any of you
 

PND_Mustard

"More stealthful than the night"
Premium Supporter
thanks dudethats the thing i never have had a chance to proove myself on mk. mustard and ketchup just stuck there noses in when i never said anything bad bout them lol thought mustard was cool before this . he dont know how i play . at least you remember trust in me lol :D
"you havent even played worlds best smoke . you maybe played a smoke who lives in usa and won some tournaments. you mightve played usa top smoke yes. who are you talking about? lol ." You literally said this as soon as someone mentioned Wafflez. You can't make bold statements and not expect a bold answer. I thought you had more respect than that.
 
then why you say "
You're really not paying attention to the right parts mate. I know you are a good player, you always have been. I'm not saying any different, but right now you are disrespecting soooo many players you have no idea.

The people you're shitting on have put countless hours into MK9, spent years competing and travelling for it, earned their tourney wins and thus earned the props they're getting. Right now you've just played online, you went to a tournament with faulty equipment and are disregarding the entire thing because of it. If your shit doesn't work that's on you, my pad broke before I played Phos there but you don't see me complaining about it because I knew it was my fault for not checking it before.

Of course you guys are ahead of people back then, it's been 2 years and no one plays anymore.

Also, I got top 32 at Evo, thank you.
yeh it was fine mustard . but when you say "he went to 8man tournament and came 3rd" , thats not the whole story . you forgot to put "but oh yeh your pad was fucked" , making me look scrubby . read previous posts about what i say he doing wrong . no one answers me . just bit annoying mustard i didnt put u down and even said to chris your a really kool dude in person. just dnt get why you had to say anything and they ground it out for hours . i spent years on that game and when i want answers why ppl dnt do certain things . ask genuinely they dnt reply and say things like "dumb . or stupid thread" etc . it grinds my gears . dnt really wanna fall out with you mustard just dnt get why even mention that tourny it dont count what do ever. if you would like to answer me why the players i mentioned play the way they play then id be happy cos no body can answer it :)
 
thing is i have 0 respect for waffles he plays like i did in first year . foxy used to go mental at me back then for doing what waffles did . so did used for glue lol . they got so mad
"you havent even played worlds best smoke . you maybe played a smoke who lives in usa and won some tournaments. you mightve played usa top smoke yes. who are you talking about? lol ." You literally said this as soon as someone mentioned Wafflez. You can't make bold statements and not expect a bold answer. I thought you had more respect than that.
 
yeh an just shows your opponents know squat about kitana and debate? , read previous pages and tell me answers to what i wrote about your team mates
You don't want answers or debate, you already think you're the shit. So there's no point.

If I had a dollar for every player I outplace that thinks my play sucks I'd have a lot of money. Probably comparable to what I've made getting top 8 at every tournament I enter.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
LOL surprised at you mustard . next tournament ill smash ur pad and see how you do like i had to play . i told u and the audience through my games my dpad was pushed in and buttons were sticky . why do you think i chose baraka and sheeva and kl . did i chose my mains? , no . you took it the wrong way . someone said "uk vs usa weve seen this before and know how it ends" , i said that wasnt me and chris . yeh PHOSFERRAX WON i told him before too and u my pad was fuked from train lol. i didmt even chose scarlett smoke or cage because i was saving them for that evo! ! didnt want anyone seeing my tricks pre hand . phosferrax i really like as a person and played him lots before that tourny and he'll admit he knows id usually destroy him even with sheeva . hence why he said before game " please dont humiliate me with sheeva" , and i said dont worry my pads fuked im just gna mess about amyway . you really think id even chose kang vs cyrax????? your a fool . i had some respect for you before this what you wrote . both you and your bro stirring stuff . again I WENT to tourny chose baraka and sheeva and kl vs his reptile. dont spout things making out the circumstances were fair lmao . you really think if i had perfect pad with my mains youd destroy me? , hilarious . you represented and failed . didnt even make it out of pools loooooooool . you have no idea how far we came compared to what you were then . how can you even post this after i said to you in person about pad. then you write this lmao . such a joke you came second with your main with working pad vs phosferrax . and you call me out about coming 3rd cos of it when this "online warrior " beat your brother 3-0 under my circumstance after playing 20minutes on lan for first time with that pad . you lost all my respect from this . didnt even put down the whole story. lol ur a joke mate . if we went usa we'd either win or top 3 easy lol.
Eat it.

 

RM AtK!

aka - RM_AtK !
Okay i love everyone here tbh for the most part. Wafflez does do things he shouldn't but if he sees the person punishing it he stops. I played him a bit online n when i punished him for low poke or f33 he stopped doing it n would respect me if i blocked one. Again i haven't had tons of Games with him. But honestly i understand what you're saying , but @GGA Dizzy @MITDJT. Are really on par with how poking works And I've heard dizzy say before what makes a good tourney player is testing to see what u can or can't get away with. I know you're good n i know chris is good too. Ive never doubted that. You gotta not blow up on @GGA Wafflez. For something the REST of the community is letting him do. Its not tommys fault that people are stupid enough to jump out of d1 on block. If its working for him against that certain opponent than why not keep using it.

I myself wouldn't do that cuz its not my playstyle but i respect that he tests the waters with other players fundamentals n you use what u can to win. Wafflez doesnt really talk shit from what I've seen to anyone. You have to show a little more respect than that to him. He does deserve it. Like i said your argument would be more on why everyone else that chooses to jump or gets all the time after negative frame adv moves doesn't understand.

Just my opinion though. I love chris hes a great player n a great friend. I respect wafflez n dizzy both as great players. I know gga isn't fond of me, because i play smoke too i guess? I could careless though, because I'll play anyone who wants to play. And i have played with great players offline. Not just great but top 10 fundamentally sound players in the game. @MITDJT
 

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
Obviously damage, shake removes the threat of dagger mind-games from mid-long range, better whiff punishers, much better OKI game imo due to smoke away/toward going through all of Skarlet's wakeups after a knockdown, Skarlet needs a lot of meter to keep Smoke locked down but Smoke has some ways out using things like ex shake and d3 smoke away that others would typically not have or have to use meter for, probably better pokes overall imo. Smoke is MUCH less punishable than Skarlet on block.

I still don't have any issues with calling the MU even, but I do not feel that Skarlet wins this. I have always thought Skarlet is an awesome character, so don't take anything as a dis against the character or something...I think she is top 10, right around where Smoke should be placed (7-10 ish).
I won't say that your information is false, but there are some things that i don't see as advantage over Skarlet in this matchup.

The Damage isn't a issue in This MU, aside of Smoke Resets having the biggest drop factor in the game, its not Cyrax's types of combos, they are all breaksble, so its like any other combo in the game. Skarlet can land 47% every time 122 resets Smoke from a F4 combo, that is because Skarlet has character specific combos that hit big sized hitbox characters smoke included, and that means it will always gain a bar of meter back when you can't break that combo.

Shake isn't a issue, it can be baited out with 1 frame higher iaDs, basically Smoke will not stop skarlet to fire daggers, but it will have to worry if they're meant to hit him or just whiff over his head, sure he has teleport to counter, but that has to be done on a read instead of reaction. He can always smoke away to the corner.

Skarlet can close in space at nearly the same rate as Kabal, so smoking away or forwards from D3 or naked isin't a real threat, is just a shennaningan IMO.

I can't really see how Smoke Oki game can be superior with D3 smoke away/toward, Skarlet wakeup game is a empty armored dash that lasts 27 frames but has 29 armored frames, she has 2 frames of armor to do anything, including blocking, unless Smoke uses ex Smoke away/toward its only projectile invincible.

All crimson dashes follow ups beats out shakes and ex shakes, and she can counter wakeups or set traps that may look unsafe to bait into a heavy punish.

Even without meter, Skarlet is still a small hitbox character, when she D3, most of the cast attacks goes over her, this includes Johnny C's F3, KL standing 21, etc etc so characters are often forced to counter with D3, D1 which doesn't gain nothing and risk getting countered.

The problem with Skarlet, is that she doesn't exactly follows the rules of the game, she doesn't get stuck out like the rest of the cast do against the top 15 characters of the game, she has answers to anything, even the most retarded stuffs like Kenshi's Zoning, Kabal Zoning, run away characters etc etc.

When she gains meter the wide area of control expands on its on, not only in range or space, but her offense becomes more heavier and people will have constantly to worry what should or shouldn't do when x numbers of meter are active, while she has all planned out on how it will playout if you do. Did you knew that the knockdown system of MK9 as a flaw that is 100% exploitable by Skarlet's Oki game?

Some Smoke players have it at 5-5, i personally have this Matchup at 6-4 Skarlet favor, as long as Skarlet is able to stay comfortable and move at will at any range even without firing daggers and don't feel a huge barrier do make her game work like in the cyrax matchup, as long as she has armor abd the opponent doesn't, as long as a big sized hitbox vs small hitbox being a factor, i will have this MU as 6-4.
 

PND_Mustard

"More stealthful than the night"
Premium Supporter
then why you say "


yeh it was fine mustard . but when you say "he went to 8man tournament and came 3rd" , thats not the whole story . you forgot to put "but oh yeh your pad was fucked" , making me look scrubby . read previous posts about what i say he doing wrong . no one answers me . just bit annoying mustard i didnt put u down and even said to chris your a really kool dude in person. just dnt get why you had to say anything and they ground it out for hours . i spent years on that game and when i want answers why ppl dnt do certain things . ask genuinely they dnt reply and say things like "dumb . or stupid thread" etc . it grinds my gears . dnt really wanna fall out with you mustard just dnt get why even mention that tourny it dont count what do ever. if you would like to answer me why the players i mentioned play the way they play then id be happy cos no body can answer it :)
I don't wanna have bad blood over this either man, as you said, you spent years on this game, but as have everyone else. You can see how you get annoyed when you feel disrespected but you have to see that this is what it looks like you're doing yourself. The way you're making things sound is coming across as super hostile.