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NickDaGreek1983

Oh, my days !
I just saw you on one of the GGA streams one night and thought "Wait a minute, WHAAAAAAT?!"

Hope the U.S is treating you well!
Not only this my friend, I am actually jealous of Nick!! I don't even care about injustice and Nick actually made me watch around 8-10 matches. I too hope he's doing well. It was a big step.
 
I'm not salty. Smoke players outside Wafflez are free.
yeh because i listen to ppl who only play kitana that does d1 cutter constantly crossover jk fan and f21 game and no one punishes ya ever :) , 16bit ur out ya league bud go yo kitana forum. i gave you reasons why his smoke has many weaknesses . you never played me and wouldnt want to . you prob get that a lot like i have over the years but your out classed . i dont wanna go over your play too . its not as bad as waffles but still . either talk about smoke or legitamate answers to what ive been saying bout him. and by the way mix up your fan rhythm once in a while rather than patterned it might help you ;) if your nice im nice if your rude then ill defend
 
I'm not salty. Smoke players outside Wafflez are free.
dude you have never played or seen xarakamaka play... he is really on point man, great spacing, never misses an anti-air, reacts to liek every single poke with a full string... he's pretty goddamn good... I wish he could come to the U.S. and play.

I.E. Mr. Mileena is an amazing sindel but Oscar Broly has never been to any U.S. tournaments so its hard to gauge sometimes how good a player can be. It's not the NBA or NFL, there are good players that go unnoticed.
 

NickDaGreek1983

Oh, my days !
dude you have never played or seen xarakamaka play... he is really on point man, great spacing, never misses an anti-air, reacts to liek every single poke with a full string... he's pretty goddamn good... I wish he could come to the U.S. and play.

I.E. Mr. Mileena is an amazing sindel but Oscar Broly has never been to any U.S. tournaments so its hard to gauge sometimes how good a player can be. It's not the NBA or NFL, there are good players that go unnoticed.
It's good to know that Oscar Broly has been noticed by others too! :) He is LITERALLY godlike with his Sindel. As for Smoke mains, aren't we forgetting someone called xSmokex ? I'm not taking sides, I'm just reminding. :)

PS: That "good non american players that go unnoticed" thing hurts. Some guys from the Greek fg community could too be in the talks for "best character mains" , not to omit the UK, Dutch and Polish ones as well.
 

GGA Saucy Jack

The artist formerly known as ImNewbieSauce
@GGA 16 Bit - apologize for being out of your league. You may return your evo medals to any evo medal pickup station in the greater Chicagoland area.

@GGA Wafflez - apologize for having a bad poke game and for doing d1 into d1. You may return your Final Round trophy and pimp chalice via mail, c/o triforce, at any post office near you.

Your new lord and master has spoken and you will kneel. We will all kneel before the frame data god. HOW DARE YOU FOOLS DO D1XXCUTTER OR D1 INTO D1 WHEN YOUR OPPONENT UNDERSTANDS NOTHING OF HOW COUNTING POKING WORKS!

We are all sinners in the hands of an angry xarakamaka.
 
*bows* thank you thank you . maybe now they will hit confirm and punish accordingly . now give me your 10th place evo trophies ill be so proud of that placing :)
@GGA 16 Bit - apologize for being out of your league. You may return your evo medals to any evo medal pickup station in the greater Chicagoland area.

@GGA Wafflez - apologize for having a bad poke game and for doing d1 into d1. You may return your Final Round trophy and pimp chalice via mail, c/o triforce, at any post office near you.

Your new lord and master has spoken and you will kneel. We will all kneel before the frame data god. HOW DARE YOU FOOLS DO D1XXCUTTER OR D1 INTO D1 WHEN YOUR OPPONENT UNDERSTANDS NOTHING OF HOW COUNTING POKING WORKS!

We are all sinners in the hands of an angry xarakamaka.
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Premium Supporter
NetherRealm Studios
yeh because i listen to ppl who only play kitana that does d1 cutter constantly crossover jk fan and f21 game and no one punishes ya ever :) , 16bit ur out ya league bud go yo kitana forum. i gave you reasons why his smoke has many weaknesses . you never played me and wouldnt want to . you prob get that a lot like i have over the years but your out classed . i dont wanna go over your play too . its not as bad as waffles but still . either talk about smoke or legitamate answers to what ive been saying bout him. and by the way mix up your fan rhythm once in a while rather than patterned it might help you ;) if your nice im nice if your rude then ill defend

You don't want answers or debate, you already think you're the shit. So there's no point.

If I had a dollar for every player I outplace that thinks my play sucks I'd have a lot of money. Probably comparable to what I've made getting top 8 at every tournament I enter.
 

Dizzy

False Information Police Officer
Premium Supporter
NetherRealm Studios
Yknow Xarakamaka, if you'd have shown up and done this 3 years ago it would have been alot more worth it :p
Took the words out of my mouth. I was just about to post that this reminds me of an early 2012 thread. It has everyones favorite topics from that time period that have been proven wrong including:

1. All jumps will be anti-aired

2. All pokes will be punished

3. Things that are unreactable are reactable

4. Some dude beats me online so that player is better than major tournament winner

5. Wafflez sucks and (insert name here) is better with smoke

6. "D1 cutter will not work on me"

The good ol' days.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
@RiBBz22, what does advantages Smoke has over Skarlet in this MU?
Obviously damage, shake removes the threat of dagger mind-games from mid-long range, better whiff punishers, much better OKI game imo due to smoke away/toward going through all of Skarlet's wakeups after a knockdown, Skarlet needs a lot of meter to keep Smoke locked down but Smoke has some ways out using things like ex shake and d3 smoke away that others would typically not have or have to use meter for, probably better pokes overall imo. Smoke is MUCH less punishable than Skarlet on block.

I still don't have any issues with calling the MU even, but I do not feel that Skarlet wins this. I have always thought Skarlet is an awesome character, so don't take anything as a dis against the character or something...I think she is top 10, right around where Smoke should be placed (7-10 ish).
 

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
It's easy to look at frame data and say this works that doesn't, but it's a different thing when if you're trying to counter poke in a real game, mistime it by 3 frames and get hit by a smoke bomb for your life bar.
 

Whitefox

Noob
yeh because i listen to ppl who only play kitana that does d1 cutter constantly crossover jk fan and f21 game and no one punishes ya ever :) , 16bit ur out ya league bud go yo kitana forum. i gave you reasons why his smoke has many weaknesses . you never played me and wouldnt want to . you prob get that a lot like i have over the years but your out classed . i dont wanna go over your play too . its not as bad as waffles but still . either talk about smoke or legitamate answers to what ive been saying bout him. and by the way mix up your fan rhythm once in a while rather than patterned it might help you ;) if your nice im nice if your rude then ill defend
Damn you're 27? You type like you're 15.
 

Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
I'd say the other way round, Kenshi can hop over smoke bombs with b2 and punish them on reaction from the right range.

Smoke will build a lot of meter but if Kenshi has a life lead it's hard to get it back because smoke will have to get closer, but Kenshi has longer reaching normals from the same range that act as. A 5050, and failing that he can dish out spirit charge chip for blockin smoke bombs.
B2 is wiff punishable as fuck. If you are that close to Smoke and read a SB just JIP that hoe. All of Kenshi's normals will get pulled out of by SB and any good Smoke will be able to Smoke Away and wiff punish Kenshi's normals.

This MU is super meter dependent and lame as fuck. Both of which Smoke will do better. Smoke will have basically unlimited amounts of meter and Kenshi CANNOT trade from full/half screen. SB is 10% naked (SB+Fall damage) and a full combo in most trades. If Smoke has meter (he will) he has a chance at hitting the F4 lottery and resetting you.

Kenshi's entire gameplan is based around forcing Smoke to the corner and getting his damage there because frankly mid screen Kenshi is at a disadvantage. Kenshi has options but most of them will net only little bit of chip and all his tools are based upon pushing away which is counter-productive for the most part.

With meter Kenshi does fair pretty well because his options greatly increase and Smoke can't D4/grab at will, but against Smoke he has a tough time building it and this MU is 100% in Smoke's favor when Kenshi has no meter.

I'd say it is 5.5-4.5 Smoke's favor. On Pit I would put it at 5-5 BUT smaller stages do benifit Smoke because it is noticably easier to reset in the corner. On Roof Top Day this is 6-4 Smoke.
 
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B2 is wiff punishable as fuck. If you are that close to Smoke and read a SB just JIP that hoe. All of Kenshi's normals will get pulled out of by SB and any good Smoke with Smoke Away and wiff punish Kenshi.

This MU is super meter dependent and lame as fuck. Both of which Smoke will do better. Smoke will have basically unlimited amounts of meter and Kenshi CANNOT trade from full/half screen. SB is 10% naked (SB+Fall damage) and a full combo in most trades. If Smoke has meter (he will) he has a chance at hitting the F4 lottery and resetting you.

Kenshi's entire gameplan is based around forcing Smoke to the corner and getting his damage there because frankly mid screen Kenshi is at a disadvantage. Kenshi has options but most of them will net only little bit of chip and all his tools are based upon pushing away which is counter-productive for the most part.

With meter Kenshi does fair pretty well because his options greatly increase and Smoke can't D4/grab at will, but against Smoke he has a tough time building it and this MU is 100% in Smoke's favor when Kenshi has no meter.
I'm going to pretend I didn't read that.
 
Took the words out of my mouth. I was just about to post that this reminds me of an early 2012 thread. It has everyones favorite topics from that time period that have been proven wrong including:

1. All jumps will be anti-aired

2. All pokes will be punished

3. Things that are unreactable are reactable

4. Some dude beats me online so that player is better than major tournament winner

5. Wafflez sucks and (insert name here) is better with smoke

6. "D1 cutter will not work on me"

The good ol' days.
1) 90% of jumps and most crossovers depending on characters will be punished

2) all d1s WILL be punished thats no debateable and you should know as both our best characters are cage. all d3s i wont d3 back like you do a lot. you do f3 sometimes but not at all consistant dude

3)gimmie example

4) it doesnt matter if its offline or onlind this is what frustrates us . we play the game how we would offline . your talking about ppl who play like idiots! , smoke bomb then try do string afterwards even though -9. online doesnt natter when you play the game how its meant to be played

5) i sound like an idiot because you doubt who i am but waffles doesnt play correct yes. he has some good points yes but fundamentals are bad but he only plays dmoke its kinda expected

6) any kitana player that i come across knows not to d1 cutter me dizzy . i never seen one game on youtube where someone consistently punishes it
 
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