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Should testers be excluded from competing in the first few tournaments of the game?

Should testers be banned for the first couple tournaments of MKX?

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Doombawkz

Doombawkz

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SaltShaker said:
That's the point.

If elite player A plays MKX for a year, and in, let's say, 6 weeks after release plays elite MK9/Injustice player B in a tournament, who is going to win that match 9 out of 10 times?

Hell even in real sports. Imagine one boxer training for a year for the golden gloves and another for 4-8 weeks. Or a wrestler. Or a marathon runner. Or etc.

That's why I think there should be a grace period. Of course there's always the "wow I can't believe that happened" upset once in a blue, but I n no way can a player be up to speed with a top tourney player who played for a year in such a short amount of time. Factor in playing for money and they're probably counting the dollars before the tourney even starts.

The only argument I've heard as to why they "should be" allowed to play is-

A) "I want to see high level play. Who cares if they have an edge and will dominate most of the money."

B) "A month or two is more than enough time to catch up."

C) "There was a guy who finished top 3 once so anyone can do the same."


Weak arguments in my opinion, but majority rules.
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You have to consider that MK9 and INJ are games people have played, so its not like everyone is starting fresh.
Even people who wander into tech demos are able to pick up the game and start fiddling with it.

Looking at some of the players? I wouldn't doubt one month would be enough time to cover the ground.
The only difference would be minor mechanic stuff and maybe set-ups, but again, those can be developed.
 
Doombawkz

Doombawkz

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SaltShaker said:
All I don't hope for is you and Fox maining the same character, ever. I don't want to see the John Cena Era in MKX or beyond.
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Fox wouldn't likely main my character, him and I have entirely separate interests and ideas.
That being said, I haven't seen the whole cast or gotten my hands on it for more than just a few games (~15) so until I can drop 5 days in the lab I won't even be bold enough to declare a main. Right now F/T looks like something I'd like, but hell, I haven't even seen Goro yet.
 
Pig Of The Hut

Pig Of The Hut

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Goldy said:
The first major featuring MKX will be Northwest Majors in Seattle. No one is banned. Testers will not be excluded unless there is a significant outcry, but this is Washington lol we're pretty laid back. If anything a chance to play with some of the best in the game would just increase registration numbers here.

I can't believe the NRS community doesn't embrace NWM as a major even though every other gaming community does. Top players come for SF and smash, they even fly in from Japan!

It's whatever lol NWM has been going strong for years. You guys will come around ;)
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First major? What date
 
rev0lver

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
Goldy said:
The first major featuring MKX will be Northwest Majors in Seattle. No one is banned. Testers will not be excluded unless there is a significant outcry, but this is Washington lol we're pretty laid back. If anything a chance to play with some of the best in the game would just increase registration numbers here.

I can't believe the NRS community doesn't embrace NWM as a major even though every other gaming community does. Top players come for SF and smash, they even fly in from Japan!

It's whatever lol NWM has been going strong for years. You guys will come around ;)
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Because Capcom/Smash players have sponsors. and it's like $500 to fly there from anywhere else. and too far for anyone to drive outside the barren wastelands of northwest america
 
Doombawkz

Doombawkz

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Goldy said:
The first major featuring MKX will be Northwest Majors in Seattle. No one is banned. Testers will not be excluded unless there is a significant outcry, but this is Washington lol we're pretty laid back. If anything a chance to play with some of the best in the game would just increase registration numbers here.

I can't believe the NRS community doesn't embrace NWM as a major even though every other gaming community does. Top players come for SF and smash, they even fly in from Japan!

It's whatever lol NWM has been going strong for years. You guys will come around ;)
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Fuck that. ITs cold up there.
I'll stay in my nice 80* pocket of Florida.
 
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Eldriken

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Doombawkz said:
Fuck that. ITs cold up there.
I'll stay in my nice 80* pocket of Florida.
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What part of Florida have you been in lately? It hasn't been 80 degrees here hardly at all lately. These damn cold fronts SUCK!
 
Doombawkz

Doombawkz

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Eldriken said:
What part of Florida have you been in lately? It hasn't been 80 degrees here hardly at all lately. These damn cold fronts SUCK!
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Northwest. We have the currents and the cross-draft from mexico, and all of the cold air stays behind the mountains. It was about 40* at 5AM when I went into work, and by the time I left? 81* and sunny.
 
WakeUp DP

WakeUp DP

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I wish they would release a list of all the game testers?

I hope Tom Brady and Reo are working on the game too.
 
T

trufenix

bye felicia
I don't understand why this is a debate. The testers don't even get to play the final game.

There are always going to be players who know more than you, that's the beauty off competition. If you're afraid of getting your back blown out don't enter.
 
haketh

haketh

Noob
coolwhip said:
Except in my mind, it's far more important to have guys who understand balance, fundamentals, walkspeed, anti-air, move priority, etc... The broken stuff can be patched later. Fundementals of the game are more important because they are its chore base. You think NRS are too stupid to realize this? That's why they get guys like 16 Bit, Slips, Brady etc... and prioritize certain issues over infinites, broken stuff, and the like. There's a reason guys like 16 Bit and Slips are QA's, and others are brought in later to discover broken shit. McFly and other guys you mentioned (Fox being an exception, obviously) work best if you bring them for a week before release to clean things up.
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Except no fighting game company does that when picking the long term testers, most go for the Check's & McFly's for the most part over your Chris Gs because as DMS has said their the guys whoa re going to find the big problems you can't normally find the quickest before the game gets out in public hands, you usually don't want th ebusted stuff they find ever getting out into the public hands now even with how frequent patching is done.

On the subject as a guy who has to deal with Japanese players having access to games for years before I usually get the chance to touch it *Yes the situations are different but their close* I have no problem letting testers rock as a guy who travels to compete. PLus you're making it seem like they have no fundamentals bruh, I know that's not what you're trying to say but come on now.

rev0lver said:
Because Capcom/Smash players have sponsors. and it's like $500 to fly there from anywhere else. and too far for anyone to drive outside the barren wastelands of northwest america
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Anime players don't either & they come out :p
 
THTB

THTB

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On a side note, aren't Q&A testers just playing to test for bugs/crashes/etc? I wouldn't be surprised if they do practice on the side, but seriously, things get found quickly nowadays once games drop. That advantage is lucky to last a month, if that, tbh.
 
Marvaz

Marvaz

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This is a no brainer... Yes ALL testers SHOULD definately be banned for at least 3 months. Take a look at what happened in MK9 and injustice. All testers clearly had an advantage early on ESPECIALLY in injustice. Didnt nrs just say 300 people are currently testing mkx? We need a list of who. We do know all the chicago guys are testing it non stop. First 2-3 months of the game will be ruled by the testers and then you have the few with no jobs that compete who will place here and there.
 
coolwhip

coolwhip

Noob
haketh said:
Except no fighting game company does that when picking the long term testers, most go for the Check's & McFly's for the most part over your Chris Gs because as DMS has said their the guys whoa re going to find the big problems you can't normally find the quickest before the game gets out in public hands, you usually don't want th ebusted stuff they find ever getting out into the public hands now even with how frequent patching is done.
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...and thus proving my point that nobody has any idea what NRS prioritizes. Do you REALLY think they're that dumb? Like, if that was their emphasis, and if they thought that the likes of 16 Bit and others they have hired can't get the job done in that regard, would they not have looked elsewhere or changed their outlook on these things? The logic baffles me.
 
haketh

haketh

Noob
coolwhip said:
...and thus proving my point that nobody has any idea what NRS prioritizes. Do you REALLY think they're that dumb? Like, if that was their emphasis, and if they thought that the likes of 16 Bit and others they have hired can't get the job done in that regard, would they not have looked elsewhere or changed their outlook on these things? The logic baffles me.
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Could just be going with who they actually know *Shrugs*

Back to Capcom Cp
 
Euphoric

Euphoric

MKX
I always thought this debate is stupid, with the resources you have today, offline practice, online, and literally millions of people in forums interacting and sharing opinions will be greater than anything a single person can find in 2 weeks of testing let alone a year.

Some people are looking for an excuse for their losses it seems, if it was a day 1 tournament or within a week or two I get it but a month is significant time to prepare knowing there's a tournament...

But then again the FGC gets a year to prepare flights and finances for hotels and registration and y'all can't manage to do that so, I'm not surprised at this non issue Lol.

Good players will be good. Look at Chris G. JWong day one at WNF was going HAM with Batman and he didn't test anything.
 
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KH StarCharger

KH StarCharger

Noob
Personally I don't think testers should be banned for a few tourneys (majors) but 1 or 2 would be fair since that will give everyone ample time to have had the game enough for the tester's advantage to not matter. I always prefer level playing field regardless of whether or not the best results come later in a game's lifespan or not.
 
Hanzer0

Hanzer0

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Was it fair to tournament players to get consistently bodied by kabal for a year and a half?

I say let all the testers play to advance the meta quicker. If any particular player feels like they are "winning too much" they should try to break down their own tactics for other players to learn from.
Not asking for full on tutorials but posting on TYM or making video content (props to @SonicFox5000), or appearing on podcasts are all good ways to educate.
The point is, exposure is good for the scene. During Injustice release we've had players keeping all their stuff under wraps to stay safe from inevitable patches and the game was never highlighted for its positives.
The community needs to realize that that MKX will have depth even testers won't know about when it drops. Third time around, can we all just agree to learn the game for more than a month before we start throwing out shoddy MU numbers and tier lists? Nothing wrong with theory writing but people have different opinions and trying to cut and dry everything causes controversy.
 
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