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KTF Ep. 5 (Screwjob) - Podcast Ft. LotF, King Hippo, Coolwhip, Saucy & Home Lee

Who had the best showing at NEC 15 (Besides Sonic Fox cause broken yo)

  • Relaxed State

    Votes: 7 8.0%
  • Revolver

    Votes: 8 9.2%
  • Chris G

    Votes: 7 8.0%
  • Slayer

    Votes: 9 10.3%
  • GamerBlake

    Votes: 6 6.9%
  • Jupiter

    Votes: 4 4.6%
  • Oxygen

    Votes: 8 9.2%
  • MM Gross

    Votes: 23 26.4%
  • Forever King

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Other (anyone who you thought deserved it)

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Cossner

    Votes: 9 10.3%

  • Total voters
    87

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
I would hate Skyrim a shitton less if it at least follwoed through on story things in a satisfying manner, ESPECIALLY Ulfric working with the THalmor.
doesn't that plot line change depending on which faction you choose in the civil war ? or u can just do greybeard missions until the war ends i believe
 

haketh

Noob
doesn't that plot line change depending on which faction you choose in the civil war ? or u can just do greybeard missions until the war ends i believe
THe plotline does but theirs a ton of big story stuff that is only found in books which I wouldn't have a problem with it affeccted the story at all. Ulfric working wtih the elves for instance is something you can find out in letters that ends up having no impact on the story which is just dumb.
 

coolwhip

Noob
^^ Hey guys, remember on the podcast when I said I'm still playing Skyrim and I haven't completed it yet? Yeah, spoilers!

OK no, I know the game is 3 years old so feel free to discuss it.
 

juicepouch

blink-182 enthusiast
I never finished skyrim....

It's not that I didn't like it, it's just I'm one of those RPG players who's not at all interested in the story and much more interested in the ability to walk left forever until I reach an ocean or an insurmountable mountain. I leveled up almost all the way and I discovered a great many things but I simply was not interested in going back and completing the main quest or whatever after I had spent however many days doing nothing but fighting whatever monsters or Khajit I came across
 

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
^^ Hey guys, remember on the podcast when I said I'm still playing Skyrim and I haven't completed it yet? Yeah, spoilers!

OK no, I know the game is 3 years old so feel free to discuss it.
hehe sorry im usually the last one to the party :)
 

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
I never finished skyrim....

It's not that I didn't like it, it's just I'm one of those RPG players who's not at all interested in the story and much more interested in the ability to walk left forever until I reach an ocean or an insurmountable mountain. I leveled up almost all the way and I discovered a great many things but I simply was not interested in going back and completing the main quest or whatever after I had spent however many days doing nothing but fighting whatever monsters or Khajit I came across
i broke the map before go to the top right and keep going it never ends !!! have fun
 

ChaosTheory

A fat woman came into the shoe store today...
I never finished skyrim....

It's not that I didn't like it, it's just I'm one of those RPG players who's not at all interested in the story and much more interested in the ability to walk left forever until I reach an ocean or an insurmountable mountain. I leveled up almost all the way and I discovered a great many things but I simply was not interested in going back and completing the main quest or whatever after I had spent however many days doing nothing but fighting whatever monsters or Khajit I came across
I'm the same way. I loved but never finished GTA 4 or 5, Red Dead Redemption, etc. because I get so caught up doing side shit and exploring every nook and cranny. And I'm OCD I guess so I have to complete or upgrade or whatever I'm doing as much as allowed at the time before I move on.

Next thing I know, I've had a game a year and finished 20% of the main campaign. Funny, I still tell myself I intend on finishing them. Grown up shit doesn't help.
 

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
I played Skyrim when it was first released for PS3. I found it to be a buggy, glitchy, mess of a game.

I had dragons that didn't burn up after killing them.
I had quests that I couldn't turn in due to the quest givers glitching out when I went to turn them in.
After successfully picking a lock in a dungeon my character proceeded to sink through the game world into a vast, blue space of nothing when I opened the door.
I watched a horse kill a dragon. The game was basically playing itself at that point.
I watched a dog kill a dragon. See above.
Anytime I would try to swim for any length of time the game would straight-up freeze and force me to restart my whole system.
After completing the entire quest chain for The Companions and becoming the leader of The Companions, I still had NPCs asking me if I was the bitch of the group. This killed any sense that I was actually affecting the game world in any meaningful way.
Several times, particularly when leaving/entering dungeons, the game would freeze on the load screen and I would have to restart.
Every merchant had the same voice and said the exact same things.
One time, when I was chopping wood in the first town in the game, tree random NPCs walked up to me and started attacking. I had no negative penalties due to law breaking or anything like that, and I hadn't done very many quests. I was just chopping wood for easy cash and three dudes just thought to themselves, "See that guy? Fuck that guy." This is more of a fun anecdote than a complaint, though.


I can't speak for the updates/hotfixes, or the expansions, but I had put weeks into the game and at the end of all of it, I felt as though I hadn't actually accomplished anything due to nothing in the game world actually changing because of my actions.

BUT...

The Deadric quests were pretty great. Making my own weapons/armor was fun. So, that's a plus.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
@coolwhip if that was me you were referring to at 37:15 then that was a direct misquote because I've never used the word "shortcomings" in my life and you would in fact be spreading misinformation about me and making me look bad.
 

coolwhip

Noob
Not sure if trollwhip....
No I honestly don't. Keep in mind I was literally running on no sleep so I'm not going to remember an ostensibly smartass remark I made in a 3 hour podcast. I'm guessing I alluded to your Batgirl downplaying in the stream chat and how you blame Batgirl's results on top players' inabilities to learn the match-up. I'm pretty sure I named you at the beginning when talking about the Rico-Sonic Fox match and Sonic Fox's comeback right as you were downplaying Batgirl and getting giddy about the potential result.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Lol that's only if I'm wrong ;)
No I honestly don't. Keep in mind I was literally running on no sleep so I'm not going to remember an ostensibly smartass remark I made in a 3 hour podcast. I'm guessing I alluded to your Batgirl downplaying in the stream chat and how you blame Batgirl's results on top players' inabilities to learn the match-up. I'm pretty sure I named you at the beginning when talking about the Rico-Sonic Fox match and Sonic Fox's comeback right as you were downplaying Batgirl and getting giddy about the potential result.
Nope not exactly. The first time you mentioned me you also spread misinformation though. As I said somewhere else I was laughing when he made the comeback because I know how hilariously bullshit it was, not getting mad or whatever. I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic about me downplaying Batgirl in the chat since there was no conversation about her in the chat but I'm still going to point out that that's completely wrong too.
I do not blame Batgirl's results on top players' inabilities to learn the match-up, because occasionally some of them actually do some of the things that help and they end up coming closer to winning than others do. Another assumption just to appease your falsities.

Let it be known that I think, and you can quote me on this (not that you will because noone ever backs up any argument referring to me "downplaying" with any quotes or any evidence actually), that I think Batgirl gets the results she does because her comeback factor is bullshit in a good way, because her corner game is bullshit in a good way, because her toolset makes the opponent have to guess while she retains a meter advantage and gives her at least above average damage anywhere on the screen. I think she gets results because when she opens up the opponent she has access to an overpowering tool that has an imbalanced risk/reward factor. I think Batgirl gets the results she does because Batgirl's toolset makes it hard for the opponent to make a comeback themself and because her broad range of tools forces the opponent to play against more cautiously and one mistake forces them to deal with her vortex again.
AND
OF
COURSE
I think Batgirl gets results because the one representative that can make it out to tournaments practices her matchups with other top players regularly. He also plays more than just NRS fighting games and so has great fundamentals like some of the other NRS players who play multiple games.

If anyone ever assumes I think anything other than this then they are getting blown the fuck up.

Let me just transcribe what you said then since you forgot:
"If you're limiting it to 'I have no options' or, you know, 'neutral game struggles' or bullshit like that or saying things like, again I named them at the top of the show so I'm not going to name them again but yeah you know "You guys are losing to Batgirl due to your own shortcomings" - that was a direct quote from today's chat - you know as if said player came here and played Sonic Fox he wouldn't lose at all, that wouldn't be his shortcoming as well. If (you keep on baiting?) like that then no you have no right to downplay or upplay."

^This is all over misinformation and assumption.
1. I've never said I have no options as an argument in matchup discussion, nor was I the main Batgirl stating she had neutral game struggles. If you want to blow someone up for that go blow him up, not that you will.
2. I did not say what you 'quoted' me as saying. That was fabricated to try and blow me up, and you seem to be fond of that for some reason even though you actually have slightly less validity in Batgirl discussion than me since, although we both are players from non-American continents who don't/can't travel, you don't even play Batgirl. I've never said any sentence involving "shortcomings" so stop telling people something that isn't true and making me look bad. That's not why I think they're losing.
3. I don't say I'd come over and beat him myself. You stating that what I say secretly means I'd beat him is just an assumption that there's some sort of hidden message in my words (which I didn't even say in this case) because it fits your thoughts/opinions even though they're wrong and not backed up by any sort of evidence.
4. If you're going to call me a downplayer, at least have something to back up your argument. Noone that's called me a downplayer has provided any sort of evidence as to why. I've provided evidence when explaining what could be done better and yet noone listens because their ignorance makes them right in their heads, so at least have the decency to back up your own arguments too.
 

coolwhip

Noob
Lol that's only if I'm wrong ;)

Nope not exactly. The first time you mentioned me you also spread misinformation though. As I said somewhere else I was laughing when he made the comeback because I know how hilariously bullshit it was, not getting mad or whatever. I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic about me downplaying Batgirl in the chat since there was no conversation about her in the chat but I'm still going to point out that that's completely wrong too.
I do not blame Batgirl's results on top players' inabilities to learn the match-up, because occasionally some of them actually do some of the things that help and they end up coming closer to winning than others do. Another assumption just to appease your falsities.

Let it be known that I think, and you can quote me on this (not that you will because noone ever backs up any argument referring to me "downplaying" with any quotes or any evidence actually), that I think Batgirl gets the results she does because her comeback factor is bullshit in a good way, because her corner game is bullshit in a good way, because her toolset makes the opponent have to guess while she retains a meter advantage and gives her at least above average damage anywhere on the screen. I think she gets results because when she opens up the opponent she has access to an overpowering tool that has an imbalanced risk/reward factor. I think Batgirl gets the results she does because Batgirl's toolset makes it hard for the opponent to make a comeback themself and because her broad range of tools forces the opponent to play against more cautiously and one mistake forces them to deal with her vortex again.
AND
OF
COURSE
I think Batgirl gets results because the one representative that can make it out to tournaments practices her matchups with other top players regularly. He also plays more than just NRS fighting games and so has great fundamentals like some of the other NRS players who play multiple games.

If anyone ever assumes I think anything other than this then they are getting blown the fuck up.

Let me just transcribe what you said then since you forgot:
"If you're limiting it to 'I have no options' or, you know, 'neutral game struggles' or bullshit like that or saying things like, again I named them at the top of the show so I'm not going to name them again but yeah you know "You guys are losing to Batgirl due to your own shortcomings" - that was a direct quote from today's chat - you know as if said player came here and played Sonic Fox he wouldn't lose at all, that wouldn't be his shortcoming as well. If (you keep on baiting?) like that then no you have no right to downplay or upplay."

^This is all over misinformation and assumption.
1. I've never said I have no options as an argument in matchup discussion, nor was I the main Batgirl stating she had neutral game struggles. If you want to blow someone up for that go blow him up, not that you will.
2. I did not say what you 'quoted' me as saying. That was fabricated to try and blow me up, and you seem to be fond of that for some reason even though you actually have slightly less validity in Batgirl discussion than me since, although we both are players from non-American continents who don't/can't travel, you don't even play Batgirl. I've never said any sentence involving "shortcomings" so stop telling people something that isn't true and making me look bad. That's not why I think they're losing.
3. I don't say I'd come over and beat him myself. You stating that what I say secretly means I'd beat him is just an assumption that there's some sort of hidden message in my words (which I didn't even say in this case) because it fits your thoughts/opinions even though they're wrong and not backed up by any sort of evidence.
4. If you're going to call me a downplayer, at least have something to back up your argument. Noone that's called me a downplayer has provided any sort of evidence as to why. I've provided evidence when explaining what could be done better and yet noone listens because their ignorance makes them right in their heads, so at least have the decency to back up your own arguments too.
Oh lord, please stop.

The "I have no options" is obviously a Wound Cowboy thing. Just why on earth you thought I was referring to you, I have no idea. It was a joke since he has a reputation for being a downplayer. Neutral game struggles, I think, was initiated by Sonic Fox of all people. So again, why do you think this was a dig at you?

As far as the quote from the chat, I don't know if the word you used is shortcomings, but you definitely alluded to the fact, as you always do, that many aren't playing the match-up right and that's why they're losing to Batgirl. Maybe the "direct quote" wasn't 100% but you absolutely said something like that, and I distinctively remember 16 Bit getting riled up when you said it. What's new here? You've always maintained that "nobody is playing this game at the highest level" and you keep saying nobody (or very few) plays the Batgirl match-up correctly. You have said top players are lazy and prefer to whine instead of grinding things out.

Anyway, it's a 3 hour podcast. People are going to get blown up occasionally. In your case, it's not even unfair. So take that one offhanded comment I made about you and move on. As far as the Sonic Fox comeback thing, I don't care that you laughed when it happened. That's not what I said. I said it was funny that the comeback occurred RIGHT as you were getting excited about the potential result, which is true. Please, stop.

None of this is "misinformation." You're really flattering yourself by referring to it as such by the way. It's hardly some gameplay
 

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
I'm the same way. I loved but never finished GTA 4 or 5, Red Dead Redemption, etc. because I get so caught up doing side shit and exploring every nook and cranny. And I'm OCD I guess so I have to complete or upgrade or whatever I'm doing as much as allowed at the time before I move on.

Next thing I know, I've had a game a year and finished 20% of the main campaign. Funny, I still tell myself I intend on finishing them. Grown up shit doesn't help.
perfect description haha lookin in some shitty cave for 40 minutes on the offchance theres a ragged note somewhere 8D
 

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
I played Skyrim when it was first released for PS3. I found it to be a buggy, glitchy, mess of a game.

I had dragons that didn't burn up after killing them.
I had quests that I couldn't turn in due to the quest givers glitching out when I went to turn them in.
After successfully picking a lock in a dungeon my character proceeded to sink through the game world into a vast, blue space of nothing when I opened the door.
I watched a horse kill a dragon. The game was basically playing itself at that point.
I watched a dog kill a dragon. See above.
Anytime I would try to swim for any length of time the game would straight-up freeze and force me to restart my whole system.
After completing the entire quest chain for The Companions and becoming the leader of The Companions, I still had NPCs asking me if I was the bitch of the group. This killed any sense that I was actually affecting the game world in any meaningful way.
Several times, particularly when leaving/entering dungeons, the game would freeze on the load screen and I would have to restart.
Every merchant had the same voice and said the exact same things.
One time, when I was chopping wood in the first town in the game, tree random NPCs walked up to me and started attacking. I had no negative penalties due to law breaking or anything like that, and I hadn't done very many quests. I was just chopping wood for easy cash and three dudes just thought to themselves, "See that guy? Fuck that guy." This is more of a fun anecdote than a complaint, though.


I can't speak for the updates/hotfixes, or the expansions, but I had put weeks into the game and at the end of all of it, I felt as though I hadn't actually accomplished anything due to nothing in the game world actually changing because of my actions.

BUT...

The Deadric quests were pretty great. Making my own weapons/armor was fun. So, that's a plus.
try installing the game if u ever get around to playing again its a big install but it makes the game run way smoother
 

jackempty0

Born on a Monday
the biggest problem with the argument of comparing kombat network to a restaurant is that you pay for that good. you may say that if they are going to provide that service that it should be held to a certain standard, so if that service was no longer provided would that be a better option.
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
the biggest problem with the argument of comparing kombat network to a restaurant is that you pay for that good. you may say that if they are going to provide that service that it should be held to a certain standard, so if that service was no longer provided would that be a better option.
That part of the analogy is irrelevant though. The point is, when you volunteer to take on a specific duty... you're responsible for the quality of said duty.