Yes, but it doesn't actually change the matchup, which is the point. Your ultra selection doesn't change a goddamned thing until halfway or more through the match and the one read that closes out the match does not change the other 75% of the match up which was based on every other move in your arsenal. Meanwhile, in MKX. The match is completely different the second I have a teleport instead of storm lord traps.
Variation selection should be blind so anybody can't counterpick the variation.
Whether or not it changes the matchup is a yes or a no question. If the matchup is the same for 75% of it but it changes depending on what ultra you have when ultra becomes available then guess what: IT CHANGES THE MATCHUP, because all that matters is who wins, period.
We don't even know for sure how well it applies to MKX variations yet since the game isn't out, which is why in my first post I stated that the tournament rules are probably eventually going to depend on just how different they wind up being. I can foresee a potential future where variation lock is deemed necessary...but there is a precedent for allowing different variations.
Nice. Prepare for the rise of character loyaliiiiiists!!
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That's why "blind selection" is needed for variations (p1 doesn't see p2's variation and viceverza).
If you don't understand why precedent set by other games that have had a long tournament history you shouldn't be discussing this issue.
Trust me dude I wish I live in an ideal world,everything went my way,etc.OK here's a scenario: So lets say this type of rule is put into effect,what's stopping people who won a match that's 5-5 changing there variation and making into a 6-4,7-3 or 8-2 all base on what they see their opponent.
No one in this thread could give me a legit argument on why we shouldn't go with what I propose and if they did all it would sound like is this: "We don't want the loser to have TOO much of advantage over the winner"
This is not INJ where interactable was 20% unblockables,its been confirmed by multiple sources that interactable will be blockable.So when it comes to stages being a major factor,I think for MKX we don't have to worry too much about them.
That's the point of the system in the first place.Nice. Prepare for the rise of character loyaliiiiiists!!
I understand that it will work differently from inj but my point is that it still affects the environment. They have show many that are used for mobility purposes and the fact that it can help/hurt anyone at any point may be enough. If I were a player who favors zoning I want to stay away from a stage where mobilty is increased midscreen(maximize zoning potential) or go to a stage where mobility is increased close to the corner(keep from being locked down in corner). I know it will affect matches, question is how much. As for my answer, I think more than we expect but we just have to wait and see
Nobody is saying anything about the loser being locked. It's people not wanting the winner having the choice to counter-pick.
If anything this just mitigates counterpicking -- if someone changed their whole character, they can't really complain that you are able to change variation.
You've made my point entirely, an ultra MAY change the matchup, a variation WILL, every time. This is why we cannot allow WINNERS to reselect. If you have the potential to counter my counter then why even let me switch at all? Instead of asking the winner to find new strategies to deal with a potential counter pick, you are simply giving them license to dump the tools they won with entirely and play with different ones. Because if you beat me with a grappler, and I go back to character select to bring out my sub who is better against grapplers what was the point of that if you are also just as free to switch to your other variation which is not a grappler at all? This is a scenario we have already seen. There is a version of Ferra / Torr with command grabs and armor, there are two without. There is a version of Kano with grabs and parries, there are two without. These are different match ups. These are different matchups.
You can play devil's advocate if you like, but I know you're a good enough player to see the difference between fighting a character that has a teleport, or a full screen command grab, or an unblockable hellfire type trap, etc vs one that does not. These are already confirmed scenarios. Fido already claimed to land a 51+% bnb off trance that only applies to Quan Chi's summoner. Are you really going to tell me that isn't significant enough to change an MU? Would you really be comfortable putting an MMH who has OH teleport in the same slot on the matchup chart as one who did not? That's what we're talking about it.
....Huh? Of course no ones suggesting the loser be character/variation lock,that would be stupid.I'm confuse are you agree or disagree with me? The reason I'm asking that is because if you would go back and read some posts back there,their were people who was seriously suggesting the winner of the match be allow to pick a different variation.....that doesn't sit well with me.
It ignores the precedent set by other games where even more stuff changes & switching between character variation was allowed.
