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coolwhip said:

It's got nothing to do with the games themselves. More to do with the people playing them.

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isn't that a chicken and the egg kinda deal?

Can't play the game if it doesn't exist...... so on and so forth.

I mean it def. leads to circular arguing.

edit: Why is it such a big deal to label everything these days?

NRF CharlieMurphy said:

isn't that a chicken and the egg kinda deal?

Can't play the game if it doesn't exist...... so on and so forth.

I mean it def. leads to circular arguing.

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No no. At least not from my perspective. I don't think the games have anything to do with how females are viewed and whether they're accepted or not. As in, the games don't influence people's mentalities regarding females. At least not to any substantial degree.

coolwhip said:

No no. At least not from my perspective. I don't think the games have anything to do with how females are viewed and whether they're accepted or not. As in, the games don't influence people's mentalities regarding females. At least not to any substantial degree.

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gotcha

i wasn't sure exactly what you were going towards.
And I agree.

coolwhip said:

It's got nothing to do with the games themselves. More to do with the people playing them.

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Most gamers care about gameplay first and foremost.

If devs make a game that doesn't impose any gender roles and for example where you play as an "unattractive" female (by hyper sexualization standards) trying to rescue a helpless man in distress. I can assure you most gamers will still enjoy playing it if the gameplay is amazing. It just might not sell as much but it will still get 9/10.

Blaming gamers is like blaming a little girl/boy for wanting to buy a hyper sexualized doll. The kid will get the doll no matter what. But those who made the doll designed it to be hypersexual/sexist. They sell and encourage this image of women being a sexual object and a home maid ballerina servant muffin cooking machine.

On the other hand, Game of Thrones has a lot of rape scenes, murder, theft, racism and generally horribly violent and intolerant characters. Enjoying Game of Thrones as a viewer doesn't make you racist, pro-rape or pro-murder. The racism, murders, rape and overall sex scenes aren't even necessary to make a great and interesting show. It's just there because it fits with the cruel medieval world they are trying to convey. So sexism, violence and racism in video games and movies shouldn't always be considered wrong. In this sense, yes I agree it's the people watching/playing who have a problem if they agree with the rapist or the racist characters. BUT...

coolwhip said:

As in, the games don't influence people's mentalities regarding females. At least not to any substantial degree.

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Unfortunately I think they can influence people. Especially considering that 7-12 years old kids play a lot of mature games. Of course you're gonna say it's the parents fault but we both know only blaming the parents is silly. Most people here played MK when they were like 6-8 years old lol. And parents can't stop their 12 years old son from watching South Park, if he really wants to check it out he'll find a way just like we did.

So I believe developers and directors still have a big responsibility because they are in a position of influence and power. They shouldn't always portray stereotypical gender roles and present women as victim/prize sexual objects. Just sometimes, when it's "fitting" in a game world's context.

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Fixed.

coolwhip said:

Radical anything is not the best form of said thing. That goes without saying. It's also irrelevant to actual feminism.

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Modern feminism today = radical feminism, there's almost no comparison to the early suffragettes to the feminists now a days who have to cherry pick video game scenes to try and point out "rampant misogyny in today's society."

This conversation should move to the philosophy/beliefs thread.

Egalitarianism is the way to go.

Relaxedstate said:

The average social justice aptitude of TYM members is that of a 6th grade catholic private schooler.

Bless anyone who has the energy/willpower to engage in this inherently anti-intellectual forum.

O well, I suppose it is for video games anyways

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Considering all you have to do to pass a sociology class in college is agree with your preacher, I mean professor and register with the Communist party, I'm surprised there aren't more college level Social justice experts on TYM.

Awkward Sloth said:

Whoa whoa whoa calm down. Is TYM/the FGC really the demographic of people you'd think would be as a whole properly able to handle the delicate topic of feminism? Heck the first couple pages of this thread had replies along the lines of "bitches/whores be crazy."
This topic on TYM would be like going on Neopets and bringing up the same thing.
I'm a 100% behind gender equality btw.

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I don't see the problem with calling a woman who after being rejected from her advances, jumped out of a moving car, and cried the victim, a crazy bitch/whore. Can we not even criticize people who are in the wrong?

How come every thread lately seems to end bringing up feminism?

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Error said:

This conversation should move to the philosophy/beliefs thread.

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Yes, but a mod should just move all the derailing posts instead of moving the whole thread (I forgot myself this was Pig's thread about that crazy woman LOL).

Despite obvious tensions and disagreement I still think this is an interesting debate. And I disagree with all those who think a video game/FGC board isn't the right place to have such a discussion. It is especially relevant when gamers (who will be future game designers, professors and movie directors) are being accused of encouraging sexism because they play and enjoy games that happen to have half naked damsels in distress and sexist/violent/macho characters in it.

I see no problem with the current thread. It's just branching out and so far the replies have been nothing but civil and respectful. It's actually quite refreshing and interesting to discuss.

Pig's video is insane tho. Like, literally terrifying.

Vulcan Hades said:

Yes, but a mod should just move all the derailing posts instead of moving the whole thread (I forgot myself this was Pig's thread about that crazy woman LOL).

Despite obvious tensions and disagreement I still think this is an interesting debate. And I disagree with all those who think a video game/FGC board isn't the right place to have such a discussion. It is especially relevant when gamers (who will be future game designers, professors and movie directors) are being accused of encouraging sexism because they play and enjoy games that happen to have half naked damsels in distress and sexist/violent/macho characters in it.

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True, but jugg's thread has no rules

Awkward Sloth said:

Whoa whoa whoa calm down. Is TYM/the FGC really the demographic of people you'd think would be as a whole properly able to handle the delicate topic of feminism? Heck the first couple pages of this thread had replies along the lines of "bitches/whores be crazy."
This topic on TYM would be like going on Neopets and bringing up the same thing.
I'm a 100% behind gender equality btw.

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Wasn't saying that with accusatory tone. More of a ... polite british tone.

CrimsonShadow said:

However it is in Lebanon, in the US yes that's actually the case. If you are accused of something as a male by a female, and the evidence for/against is mainly hearsay or fairly equal on both sides, she has a much greater chance of coming out on top than you do.

This also applies to marital disputes, child custody cases, and all sorts of other things.

This guy probably would have gone to jail or lost a bunch of money in a lawsuit if it wasn't for his video.

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Don't know where you're pulling this info from. I will agree that child custody cases SEEM to go to the mother... but a study was just done showing that over 80% of custody cases are settled out of court so that whole "90% of custody battles go to the mother" quote that MRAs like to throw around constantly might not be anywhere near accurate.

Chaosphere said:

Don't know where you're pulling this info from. I will agree that child custody cases SEEM to go to the mother... but a study was just done showing that over 80% of custody cases are settled out of court so that whole "90% of custody battles go to the mother" quote that MRAs like to throw around constantly might not be anywhere near accurate.

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Including cases which are settled out of court, only 10-15% of fathers end up with sole custody of a child. Joint about 25%.

But I wasn't so much just speaking about the either/or outcome -- rather about which side tends to get more of what they want, regardless of the arrangement.

There are still a lot of specifics in each case that help determine things, but you can't deny the factual trends. There are certain things that are baked into our society, and this is one of them.