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Scotland votes to stay part of U.K

Element_

The First Element
You can kinda understand why they wanted out because Westminister is a mess...and the people from the country's of the UK say there from the place it self rather than saying UK or Great Britain...but at the end of the day it's stronger together! The result could of gone either way judging on how close it was..but the big question is....Was Scotland ready for a long and bumpy road ahead? At this time i think the answer is NO! But that's just my opinion.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
You can kinda understand why they wanted out because Westminister is a mess...and the people from the country's of the UK say there from the place it self rather than saying UK or Great Britain...but at the end of the day it's stronger together! The result could of gone either way judging on how close it was..but the big question is....Was Scotland ready for a long and bumpy road ahead? At this time i think the answer is NO! But that's just my opinion.
I have to say out of all your posts in this thread this one is your best. It's relieving that you recognise that Westminster is a mess and it could've gone either way, it shows me your opinion is actually at least kind of thought through. I respect this post and your opinion, and I hope the UK fgc gets along well for MKX :D
 

Element_

The First Element
I have to say out of all your posts in this thread this one is your best. It's relieving that you recognise that Westminster is a mess and it could've gone either way, it shows me your opinion is actually at least kind of thought through. I respect this post and your opinion, and I hope the UK fgc gets along well for MKX :D
Well some of my post's can be seen as a little harsh..but it's best to speak your mind ! i have the up most respect for your country and we have had some of the finest war's in history and drunk beer afterwards ;) Yeah the UK offline community should be much better for MK 10! it can only grow right..
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
@Youphemism There wasn't a problem with the Yes campaign or the people. It's the silent majority - the older generation. As I'm sure you know we have an aging population in Scotland and the number severly outweighs the youth, currently. This involves a lot of old age pentioners that don't know how to use the computer, access the internet or get unbiast information. The only source these people have are the biast news stations and when they speak to a majority, it has a huge impact, the scaremongering was bigger than anyone thought. As well as this, in East Ayrshire there are soo many parts just known for there loyalty to the orange walk and the union, they voted with their heart and not their head. I wasn't surprised at all with East Ayrshire voting no. The no campaign was awful, it literally told people to vote no because they don't know much and can't find time in the day to make one of the most important decisions logically by researching a little. When our generation become the OAP's, Scotland will have its independence, I know it will.

Saor alba gu brath!
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
@Youphemism There wasn't a problem with the Yes campaign or the people. It's the silent majority - the older generation. As I'm sure you know we have an aging population in Scotland and the number severly outweighs the youth, currently. This involves a lot of old age pentioners that don't know how to use the computer, access the internet or get unbiast information. The only source these people have are the biast news stations and when they speak to a majority, it has a huge impact, the scaremongering was bigger than anyone thought. As well as this, in East Ayrshire there are soo many parts just known for there loyalty to the orange walk and the union, they voted with their heart and not their head. I wasn't surprised at all with East Ayrshire voting no. The no campaign was awful, it literally told people to vote no because they don't know much and can't find time in the day to make one of the most important decisions logically by researching a little. When our generation become the OAP's, Scotland will have its independence, I know it will.

Saor alba gu brath!
The No voters have to hold every resultant downfall of our country now *shrugs* it's funny that all the No voters I've seen are either girls or not originally Scottish men....

When WE'RE the old people, we'll vote correctly.
 

The Highlander

There can be only one
Makes what worse? The fact that you tried to go it alone and failed...or the fact that i'm english and don't really care if you got independence or not!
First of all, Scotland did not try to go it alone and fail but that's not the point. What makes it worse is the second part of your statement. Being that this was a huge defining moment for ALL of the UK and generally people aren't bored by events that could affect their lives in massive ways. You don't have to want them to stay, you don't have to want them to go, being indifferent to their choice is not the same as 'yawn'...

@Youphemism There wasn't a problem with the Yes campaign or the people. It's the silent majority - the older generation. As I'm sure you know we have an aging population in Scotland and the number severly outweighs the youth, currently. This involves a lot of old age pentioners that don't know how to use the computer, access the internet or get unbiast information. The only source these people have are the biast news stations and when they speak to a majority, it has a huge impact, the scaremongering was bigger than anyone thought. As well as this, in East Ayrshire there are soo many parts just known for there loyalty to the orange walk and the union, they voted with their heart and not their head. I wasn't surprised at all with East Ayrshire voting no. The no campaign was awful, it literally told people to vote no because they don't know much and can't find time in the day to make one of the most important decisions logically by researching a little. When our generation become the OAP's, Scotland will have its independence, I know it will.

Saor alba gu brath!
This is not the kind of attitude to have, do you seriously think that people voted no simply because of ignorance and fear? That all no voters were OAP? Because my fb feed seems to say differently. I understand the nationalistic reasons for leaving, I will always identify as Scottish first and British second, but what other possible reason would be big enough to consider breaking apart a strong union between great countries? Did things really get that bad in 5 years (since I last lived there)?
 

Element_

The First Element
First of all, Scotland did not try to go it alone and fail but that's not the point. What makes it worse is the second part of your statement. Being that this was a huge defining moment for ALL of the UK and generally people aren't bored by events that could affect their lives in massive ways. You don't have to want them to stay, you don't have to want them to go, being indifferent to their choice is not the same as 'yawn'...


This is not the kind of attitude to have, do you seriously think that people voted no simply because of ignorance and fear? That all no voters were OAP? Because my fb feed seems to say differently. I understand the nationalistic reasons for leaving, I will always identify as Scottish first and British second, but what other possible reason would be big enough to consider breaking apart a strong union between great countries? Did things really get that bad in 5 years (since I last lived there)?
First of all ..i said yawn because the whole campaign was pretty pointless if you look at UK more closely ! Second of all England doesn't need anyone to do it alone and you couldn't argue with that....and lastly i said i respected the decision and would of done the same if it was a "Yes" to independence .....i all ready said Wesminister is a mess but your missing the point that the UK is strong as whole and shouldn't be broke up ..not now anyway! like i said i did come across as quite harsh but it's the truth!! You'd struggle a lot more than you think with out England and the Union!
 

SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
Being Welsh, it kind of felt like an argument going on between older siblings, that you're just meant to keep out of the way of. Glad it's over, bit of an anti-climax though. Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland!
 

Element_

The First Element
Being Welsh, it kind of felt like an argument going on between older siblings, that you're just meant to keep out of the way of. Glad it's over, bit of an anti-climax though. Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland!
Just curious...as a Welsh person what would you have voted if you ever had to..?
 

SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
Just curious...as a Welsh person what would you have voted if you ever had to..?
For Wales to get independence? Hell no. It makes no sense to me. I still have a Welsh identity, despite Wales being a part of the UK, we have enough devolved power to have our own healthcare and education systems (both of which give us more benefits than the English get from theirs) and we still get funding, and the other benefits, from being associated with the UK and Westminster. Wales getting independence would be insane.
 

PunkMafia83

PSN: YaRnToNpUnKMAFIA
We pay for each others stuff. Its a kingdom. We share.

Trust me I am surprised it was that close considering how bad the yes party's "plans" were.
 

PND_Mustard

"More stealthful than the night"
Premium Supporter
How do you know that you're not behind Russia, there's propaganda on both sides. USA seems to be full of it though, you guys don't really look outside the states much.
Anyway we're off topic.
Still weird seeing you talk politics with Spongebob staring at your every post.
 

The Highlander

There can be only one
First of all ..i said yawn because the whole campaign was pretty pointless if you look at UK more closely ! Second of all England doesn't need anyone to do it alone and you couldn't argue with that....and lastly i said i respected the decision and would of done the same if it was a "Yes" to independence .....i all ready said Wesminister is a mess but your missing the point that the UK is strong as whole and shouldn't be broke up ..not now anyway! like i said i did come across as quite harsh but it's the truth!! You'd struggle a lot more than you think with out England and the Union!
Ok well almost none of this applies to what I was saying, it absolutely wasn't pointless and I really shouldn't have to say why. England wouldn't have been 'doing it alone' anyway, Wales and northern Ireland would still be around, unless you're suggesting England leave the union and leave the other three to it? I agree that the UK is strong as a whole and shouldn't be broken up, I didn't say anything to the contrary. I don't think Scotland would struggle as much as you think though.
 
LOL. When did the US nuclear secrets, operating systems, and capibilites become common knowlege? Last time I checked they were are most closely guarded secrets and we were the leading authority on nuclear technology.

Seriously, you guys are funny. Floppy disks BWAHAHAHAHA.

Im gonna go out on a limb here and say you have no factual basis for your statement and have never actually been inside a nuclear facility, let alone a nuclear launch facility.
I can't claim to know all the facts for sure, but since we're on the subject:


2:53 - What runs on huge primitive floppy disks is only some of the computers that were made to receive the president's launch orders.

It has nothing to do with our operating system. It is about a command sequence used to issue and order... it is basiclly saying ONE of the many ways the President can issue a strike. Jesus.
Yes, exactly. Sorry I'm way late to the party lol.

I just posted the vid to clarify the whole confusion on the infamous floppy disks. I didn't notice I was already ninja'd.
 
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Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
This is not the kind of attitude to have, do you seriously think that people voted no simply because of ignorance and fear? That all no voters were OAP? Because my fb feed seems to say differently. I understand the nationalistic reasons for leaving, I will always identify as Scottish first and British second, but what other possible reason would be big enough to consider breaking apart a strong union between great countries? Did things really get that bad in 5 years (since I last lived there)?
No his point is that out of all the age groups, the huge majority of those 65+ years old voted No. The fact that Westminster is bull, the fact we don't have control over our own resources, the fact we basically pay for England's stuff (Scottish money is currently being spent on an underground rail in London), the fact we have to be involved in England & the US' wars and the fact that there's lots of poverty and unemployment that needs to be changed and could have been had the majority decided to let us take our own matters into our own hands. One of the reasons the No voters voted No was because Scotland was apparently going to get more powers in Parliament but look at that, not even 24 hours later and both David Cameron and Ed Miliband have dismissed that. Any decision made now that affects Scotland is down to the No voters. Hell there's been riots in George Square tonight, a 15 year old girl got STABBED by a No voter, there's videos of a Yes supporter being beaten by a No supporter and a girl on the ground crying having her Saltire being pulled out her hands by No supporters carrying Union Jacks, the Scottish Sun (the only media outlet to openly support independence) headquarters somewhere being burned down and No voters singing Rule Britannia and burning Saltires while doing a fucking Nazi salute. They won. There was no need for this to happen and if Scotland wasn't already a laughing stock it is now.
We pay for each others stuff. Its a kingdom. We share.

Trust me I am surprised it was that close considering how bad the yes party's "plans" were.
I'm sorry what Scottish stuff have the English paid for? Our money and England's money is being controlled in England so I don't see why they'd be paying for Scottish stuff... We're currently paying for an underground railroad in London!

Also what of the Yes campaigns plans were bad? The No campaign were the one contradicting themselves and already MPs are going back on their word about getting more powers for Scotland.
Old people are often out of touch with the younger generations, so you might think you're voting correctly at 65 and everyone else might think you're a crazy conservative fossil.
Eh? This would have nothing to do with the younger generation at that time, my vote would still be Yes based on what we're dealing with now. The old people now didn't have a previous referendum to think about, but in the future we will and we'll decide the result of that based on what happens now and from now on. Unless changes come, and if what's been revealed so far is anything to go by they won't, then my vote will be an obvious Yes.
 

Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
@Vulcan Hades

I would have posted links for them but then I realized I was arguing with a guy who was probably wearing a tin foil hat. I have found it best to just point out their stupidity and move one.

Lol at Wolf class nuclear submarines that were designed in the 2000s running on DOS.

But meh what are you gonna do.
 

PunkMafia83

PSN: YaRnToNpUnKMAFIA
Yes campaign. Tell me what
Currency you were going to use?
Plans for not have the NHS?
Pension plans?
Defense systems?
Growth?
Europe?

Because I didn't see too much of that covered.

If you became independent, would you take your share of the debt?

Too many questions not enough my UK breathren
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Yes campaign. Tell me what
Currency you were going to use?
Plans for not have the NHS?
Pension plans?
Defense systems?
Growth?
Europe?

Because I didn't see too much of that covered.

If you became independent, would you take your share of the debt?

Too many questions not enough my UK breathren
The Pound, that was explicitly stated to be allowed.
I don't get what you mean by that
This
We'd have our own army
Plenty, we have a hell of a lot of oil for a start, never mind the other resources we have.
We'd have had to go through the application process for the EU again but there was noone quoted as saying they wouldn't support it
 

nwo

Noob
@Vulcan Hades

I would have posted links for them but then I realized I was arguing with a guy who was probably wearing a tin foil hat. I have found it best to just point out their stupidity and move one.

Lol at Wolf class nuclear submarines that were designed in the 2000s running on DOS.

But meh what are you gonna do.
I think I'd trust DOS + Floppy disk over cloud computing. Fuck those tin foil hat wearers! You look buff in your picture BTW.
 

Element_

The First Element
Disgusted at hearing most Scottish people are blaming the English for rigging the votes!! What utter none sense...oh wait maybe it was Nick clegg,with the Union jack flag in the election room ;) c mon guy's!