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Match-up Discussion Billy Dha Kid's Grundy MU Chart

JTB123

>>R2 - BF4 = Unblockable.
i just play , that's why i stay out of match up discussions etc its too much work to explain
long story short arrow does grundys job for him using savage blast it corners him on most stages after 3 goes , then grundy destroys . any string cancelled into frost arrow can be WCC'd. big damage difference (even worse with health trait ) compare say 27% to 70-ish % for one meter (with health trait) this is just my experience playing against the character , its even
I agree with this and have also played that match up a lot, I would even say it's in Grundy's favour. On top of everything else you listed there's also interactables to consider, they don't help GA at all but are great for Grundy in that match up.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
I played against Arrow a ton

how in does arrow get off the ground? I don't think I ever had a problem with Arrow because I could simply use my Damage trait and do more damage than him by hitting a MB Walking Corpse.
 

juicepouch

blink-182 enthusiast
do more damage than him by hitting a MB Walking Corpse.
you don't even need damage trait up for that lol. I love fighting GA, you can fuck up about a billion times and still just hit him once and you're even again <3

anyway this is a serious question: Does any Grundy anywhere know how to fight Lex? My training partner is picking him up and I swear to Cyrus almighty I can't do anything vs his trait, everything I'm working with is too slow
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
you don't even need damage trait up for that lol. I love fighting GA, you can fuck up about a billion times and still just hit him once and you're even again <3

anyway this is a serious question: Does any Grundy anywhere know how to fight Lex? My training partner is picking him up and I swear to Cyrus almighty I can't do anything vs his trait, everything I'm working with is too slow
Grave rot

it ticks away at his trait so you don't have to.
 

JTB123

>>R2 - BF4 = Unblockable.
Grave rot

it ticks away at his trait so you don't have to.
Curious as to how often you have used this in that match up, I'm not hating or anything... genuinely curious.

I have played that match a fair amount and I truly consider Grave Rot's armour breaking the biggest Grundy bill there is, I know it works, but overall I have played thousands of matches with the character and can literally only remember it doing that once. It was on a flash waking up with MBB3. It's one of those things I annoy myself with constantly trying even though it never works.

I have tried this for Lex and it just never ever worked fast enough, I would always get hit after my first attack landed and subsequently lose my GR completely. I actually ended up doing much better in the matchup once I abandoned trying to use that and just wait out his trait and then go in.

I would really like to hear how you use it in the match.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Curious as to how often you have used this in that match up, I'm not hating or anything... genuinely curious.

I have played that match a fair amount and I truly consider Grave Rot's armour breaking the biggest Grundy bill there is, I know it works, but overall I have played thousands of matches with the character and can literally only remember it doing that once. It was on a flash waking up with MBB3. It's one of those things I annoy myself with constantly trying even though it never works.

I have tried this for Lex and it just never ever worked fast enough, I would always get hit after my first attack landed and subsequently lose my GR completely. I actually ended up doing much better in the matchup once I abandoned trying to use that and just wait out his trait and then go in.

I would really like to hear how you use it in the match.
To me it depended on when I was knocked down.
If Lex was mostly using his trait after a KD... I would wakeup graverot. Then i would just try to get near him again like anyone else. If I got close with it still up... I knew any kind of negative move/string would let me retaliate without having to worry about his armor negating my attack.
I also didn't mind trading projectiles while he was traited.

I'm not saying it is the best option... but it is an option.
When you combine it WITH the fact that you can indeed simply wait it out by blocking... then you have something.

but that was long ago. I do not know if Lex has a way to simply negate this tactic.
 

Billy Dha Kid

Day 1 phenomenal grab immune
Curious as to how often you have used this in that match up, I'm not hating or anything... genuinely curious.

I have played that match a fair amount and I truly consider Grave Rot's armour breaking the biggest Grundy bill there is, I know it works, but overall I have played thousands of matches with the character and can literally only remember it doing that once. It was on a flash waking up with MBB3. It's one of those things I annoy myself with constantly trying even though it never works.

I have tried this for Lex and it just never ever worked fast enough, I would always get hit after my first attack landed and subsequently lose my GR completely. I actually ended up doing much better in the matchup once I abandoned trying to use that and just wait out his trait and then go in.

I would really like to hear how you use it in the match.
I agree, the time it takes for Grave rot and the fact that it isn't consistent makes me rarely use it in this mu. For me the way i take out Lex's armor when he is close is wcc d2 wc (cancel if d2 doesn't take out armor).
 

Billy Dha Kid

Day 1 phenomenal grab immune
gonna argue a couple of numbers pig dont kill me
zod grundy 5-5
bladam grundy 4-6 i dont see how u struggle with this one @Billy Dha Kid just WCC everything
martian grundy 5-5 orbs and teles arent such a big deal with WCC
green arrow grundy 5-5 for me , his damage is ass
supes grundy 7-3 , my playstyle makes trait a fuckin killer in this match
When I play Black Adam I find myself having a very hard time catching him especially with dive kick being nearly impossible to punish and trying to walk to him while dodging lightning bolts. His neutral j2 is really good in the corner especially when I walking corpse behind him he will manage to hit me into a combo :/.

For Zod I have no idea how you think it is 5-5 or whose zod you are playing because you literally cannot move in that mu unless you do wc the whole time and take free damage.

Idk if you are saying against superman you win 7-3 because I play slayer and he knows the Grundy MU and it is no way in Grundy's advantage.

Sure Green Arrow's damage is ass but the amount of damage you will take trying to catch him is equivalent to Grundy's damage. All he needs to do is end combos with savage blast or whatever it is called and chip you out slowly.

Idk who you are playing to get these numbers or just the people you are playing don't know the Grundy mu lol
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
I grow weery of your incessant downplaying we all know hes shit stop bringing it up
This was a legit question. I like descriptions with MU charts so I can see if I am missing something to help my game. Don't assume I'm saying anything I don't reference in my posts. Understood?
 

Klesk_1

RIP Grundy
Punk plays a decent anti grundy. I guess it depends on how well the person you play knows the MU. But arrow is a nightmare if they know grundy play. The trouble is, in the 10k plus matches i've played, i maybe faced two half decent arrows, ever.... All the others are normally terrible.

I have a secret hate for black adam, every personi play who beats me, sends me rage mail afterwards and all they did was dive kick and fireballs forcing me to chase them for 99 seconds. HATE>
 

Billy Dha Kid

Day 1 phenomenal grab immune
Punk plays a decent anti grundy. I guess it depends on how well the person you play knows the MU. But arrow is a nightmare if they know grundy play. The trouble is, in the 10k plus matches i've played, i maybe faced two half decent arrows, ever.... All the others are normally terrible.

I have a secret hate for black adam, every personi play who beats me, sends me rage mail afterwards and all they did was dive kick and fireballs forcing me to chase them for 99 seconds. HATE>
Yeah I play LordVado for my GA experience and he knows what he's doing and Black adam frustrates me so much because you are constantly scouting for dive kicks and lightning bolts while trying to get in which causes me to lose patience and just start wcc my way in 24/7
 

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
When I play Black Adam I find myself having a very hard time catching him especially with dive kick being nearly impossible to punish and trying to walk to him while dodging lightning bolts. His neutral j2 is really good in the corner especially when I walking corpse behind him he will manage to hit me into a combo :/.

For Zod I have no idea how you think it is 5-5 or whose zod you are playing because you literally cannot move in that mu unless you do wc the whole time and take free damage.

Idk if you are saying against superman you win 7-3 because I play slayer and he knows the Grundy MU and it is no way in Grundy's advantage.

Sure Green Arrow's damage is ass but the amount of damage you will take trying to catch him is equivalent to Grundy's damage. All he needs to do is end combos with savage blast or whatever it is called and chip you out slowly.

Idk who you are playing to get these numbers or just the people you are playing don't know the Grundy mu lol
ive played most of the good players bar zod players ive played enough mid level zod to get a feel on the match but that being said pig is the zod people rate match ups against and i havent played him to experience it first hand . BA dont try punish divekicks just react to a divekick with walking corpse cancel for a full punish once u get a feel for it its a piece o cake .. supes beats grundy no way do i have grundy winning that haha , and ive played several high level arrow players its 5-5 im not sayin GA beats grundy or the other way around grundys playstyle means most of his matches are people running away i just chase till they get cornered then slow it down to bait attacks, when GA tries to ji3 from half screen counter with WC , otherwise just block it
 

KingOko

Was it good for you?
I'm telling you once you play a really high level Zod your opinion will change
Ive played Pig offline. Granted I wasnt using my controler, making it hard to do the things I wanted but its tough. An idea I had was to WCC~2~MB SW when you are like at jump distance and he does the balls.