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Match-up Discussion Billy Dha Kid's Grundy MU Chart

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
Dont post the ones you dont know man :(
He can post them if he wants...opinion is just that and is totally cool.

This guy has a very solid Grundy and I respect his opinion.

That said, he was my original main so my changes would be this...
If 4-6 (not 5-5)
Lex 4-6 (not 3-7)
Raven 6-4 (not 7-3)
Wowo 4-6 (not 5-5)

Other than that, batman might be worse than 4-6 but I like it!
 

Billy Dha Kid

Day 1 phenomenal grab immune
He can post them if he wants...opinion is just that and is totally cool.

This guy has a very solid Grundy and I respect his opinion.

That said, he was my original main so my changes would be this...
If 4-6 (not 5-5)
Lex 4-6 (not 3-7)
Raven 6-4 (not 7-3)
Wowo 4-6 (not 5-5)

Other than that, batman might be worse than 4-6 but I like it!
When it comes to raven I thought 6-4 for the longest time but I recently played a set with @OG Mannimal and it changed my opinion because whenever Raven isn't doing b23 or whatever that one string is I don't see what else she can do
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
When it comes to raven I thought 6-4 for the longest time but I recently played a set with @OG Mannimal and it changed my opinion because whenever Raven isn't doing b23 or whatever that one string is I don't see what else she can do
I agree but if that and mb b3 is all she does what can he do? Anita Grundy tech is universal and fucking stupid. Glass sword knows MU well and that is where my numbers come from

Edit:
It's fucking bed time
 

Klesk_1

RIP Grundy
I agree most here are my discreps,

I think deathstroke, played correctly is 6:4 to DS.
KillerFrost 6:4
Scorpion, don't tihnk it's 5:5, that vortex is stupid as hell and when he lands afgter tele a d2 will whiff on him so you can't tick throw it i say 6:4
Bane 8:2
Lex 8:2
Raven is 6:4 so long as you have the patience for it...
Wowo i say 5:5.
 

PunkMafia83

PSN: YaRnToNpUnKMAFIA
I agree most here are my discreps,

I think deathstroke, played correctly is 6:4 to DS.
KillerFrost 6:4
Scorpion, don't tihnk it's 5:5, that vortex is stupid as hell and when he lands afgter tele a d2 will whiff on him so you can't tick throw it i say 6:4
Bane 8:2
Lex 8:2
Raven is 6:4 so long as you have the patience for it...
Wowo i say 5:5.
What do you reckon to arrow vs Grundy?
 

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
I agree but if that and mb b3 is all she does what can he do? Anita Grundy tech is universal and fucking stupid. Glass sword knows MU well and that is where my numbers come from

Edit:
It's fucking bed time
That match up is 7-3. It's BAD. Like really bad. Definitely her second worst mu.
 

Klesk_1

RIP Grundy
What do you reckon to arrow vs Grundy?
Wake up game is stuffed completely, invincible frames on both a jump back move and a slide forward. So basically it's trying to bait on or the other and make the right read to punish. Arrow has air2air superiority and zoning is in arrows favour too. It's not good at all. The only thing is that arrow is weak and with health trait they have to work hard to get the damage. Also he can't jump in too much due to dead air grab. Overall i say 6:4 but you could argue worse.
 

PunkMafia83

PSN: YaRnToNpUnKMAFIA
Wake up game is stuffed completely, invincible frames on both a jump back move and a slide forward. So basically it's trying to bait on or the other and make the right read to punish. Arrow has air2air superiority and zoning is in arrows favour too. It's not good at all. The only thing is that arrow is weak and with health trait they have to work hard to get the damage. Also he can't jump in too much due to dead air grab. Overall i say 6:4 but you could argue worse.
Sounds about right I think its no worse then 6 4 for arrow. As long as you can keep Grundy a space or 2 away its manageable.
 

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
gonna argue a couple of numbers pig dont kill me
zod grundy 5-5
bladam grundy 4-6 i dont see how u struggle with this one @Billy Dha Kid just WCC everything
martian grundy 5-5 orbs and teles arent such a big deal with WCC
green arrow grundy 5-5 for me , his damage is ass
supes grundy 7-3 , my playstyle makes trait a fuckin killer in this match
 

Klesk_1

RIP Grundy
gonna argue a couple of numbers pig dont kill me
zod grundy 5-5
bladam grundy 4-6 i dont see how u struggle with this one @Billy Dha Kid just WCC everything
martian grundy 5-5 orbs and teles arent such a big deal with WCC
green arrow grundy 5-5 for me , his damage is ass
supes grundy 7-3 , my playstyle makes trait a fuckin killer in this match
your playstyle is essentially wcc everything already hahaha :D love it
 

PunkMafia83

PSN: YaRnToNpUnKMAFIA
gonna argue a couple of numbers pig dont kill me
zod grundy 5-5
bladam grundy 4-6 i dont see how u struggle with this one @Billy Dha Kid just WCC everything
martian grundy 5-5 orbs and teles arent such a big deal with WCC
green arrow grundy 5-5 for me , his damage is ass
supes grundy 7-3 , my playstyle makes trait a fuckin killer in this match
5 5 arow. OK. Details please?
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
I appreciate the tag.... but I can't comment on any MU's
I dont' play the game and have not dealt with anything.

I typically only spout nonsense from when I did play... and use most of your guys' input to help further my theory crafting.

I think there are two characters that do what Grundy can do better. Lobo and Bane.
 

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
It's 3-7... if Grundy has Chip trait activated. If she can avoid getting grabbed by that, Raven has at least a vague chance of winning lol.
Chip trait isn't needed to make her trait useless. He can just wcc through everything. It's better to get the damage reduction one because then she hits for even less. She has no chance of winning this at a high level, same with doomsday.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Chip trait isn't needed to make her trait useless. He can just wcc through everything. It's better to get the damage reduction one because then she hits for even less. She has no chance of winning this at a high level, same with doomsday.
There are a few things I think you could try to make it less appaling.... but I agree.
I'm not anywhere near as good as you are and I was getting games when we played way back when.
I wouldn't say unwinnable..... but Raven has her work cut out. You def. should feel accomplished if you take 3/5 in a tourney match.
 

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
5 5 arow. OK. Details please?
i just play , that's why i stay out of match up discussions etc its too much work to explain
long story short arrow does grundys job for him using savage blast it corners him on most stages after 3 goes , then grundy destroys . any string cancelled into frost arrow can be WCC'd. big damage difference (even worse with health trait ) compare say 27% to 70-ish % for one meter (with health trait) this is just my experience playing against the character , its even
 

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
There are a few things I think you could try to make it less appaling.... but I agree.
I'm not anywhere near as good as you are and I was getting games when we played way back when.
I wouldn't say unwinnable..... but Raven has her work cut out. You def. should feel accomplished if you take 3/5 in a tourney match.
3-7 is unwinnable. And I'm all ears.
 

Relaxedstate

PTH|RM Relaxedstate
I agree with Cyborg and Zod. Both win 7-3, although Zod might beat grundy even worse (7.5-2.5), while cyborg might only win 6-4 (due to good trait management eliminating chip and well timed swamp hands)
 

RM NoBrows

Supah hawt fiyah
Just curious man why do you think Grundy beats Joker?
His setups don't work on grundy. He can wcc through all of his stuff. And it's hard for Joker to get away from grundy once you get knocked down cuz of joker's lack of wakeups. Probably more of a 5.5-4 5 rather than 6-4