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TKB

TKB

Noob
1man3letters said:
maybe use the scorpion forum as a source and not other characters forums who complain there are no scorpions to play the mu with.
imo your current numbers are good bit off point but if this is the kinda thread were i have to argue the point of scorp-ares not being 4-6 id rather just let you keep those numbers as they are.
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Okay, not to seem like a dick or anything, but instead of just telling him he's way off why not actually post your corrections to his matchup chart? He's trying to do this list as informed and unbiased as possible and he legitimately doesn't know any scorpion players that have enough matchup knowledge to help him.

Seems like there's only 3 people that came in here and said "I feel that this is wrong, this is why, here's my correction" and everyone else just complains and says "Lol ur stupid". Come on guys.
 
Kyu

Kyu

CHOO CHOO BANE TRAIN
Vengeance135 said:
Wait you think Bane vs Joker is 8-2? Lol I feel you on Zatanna though. I go in as quick as possible raw before she runs away.
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Bane Zatanna is definitely a 3-7 in her favor. Maybe it's a 2-8. Bane vs Joker is a solid 7-3 in Bane's favor. 8-2 is pushing it. But knowing the leader of the Nova Corps you always push it :joker:
 
IMakeItL00kC00L

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
Hysteria said:
Your Sinestro chart needs slight adjustment. I don't know if Telekinetic even plays Sinestro.

Aquaman 3-7
Bane 6-4
Batgirl 5-5
Batman 4-6
Ares 5-5
Cyborg 7-3
Black Adam 5-5
Catwoman 7-3
Deathstroke 5-5
Doomsday 4-6
Flash 5-5
GL 6-4
GA 6-4
Harley 6-4 (Maybe 7-3)
Hawkgirl 7-3
Joker 7-3
KF 5-5
Lex 8-2
Lobo 5-5
MMH 4-4
NW 6-4
Raven 6-4
Scorpion 5-5
Shazam 6-4
Grundy 5-5
Sinestro 5-5
Superman 5-5
Wonder Woman 6-4
Zatana 4-6
Zod 6-4

IMO. Thoughts?

@WoundCowboy
@P2W

Anti-Sinestro Corps
@Blind_Ducky
@GGA 16 Bit
@Tm_whiteboi
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6-4 for bane? 5-5 for flash? 4-4 for mmh?????????:eek: Also @Eldriken this list aint even in alphabetical order
 
TKB

TKB

Noob
Hysteria said:
Your Sinestro chart needs slight adjustment. I don't know if Telekinetic even plays Sinestro.

Aquaman 3-7
Bane 6-4
Batgirl 5-5
Batman 4-6
Ares 5-5
Cyborg 7-3
Black Adam 5-5
Catwoman 7-3
Deathstroke 5-5
Doomsday 4-6
Flash 5-5
GL 6-4
GA 6-4
Harley 6-4 (Maybe 7-3)
Hawkgirl 7-3
Joker 7-3
KF 5-5
Lex 8-2
Lobo 5-5
MMH 4-4
NW 6-4
Raven 6-4
Scorpion 5-5
Shazam 6-4
Grundy 5-5
Sinestro 5-5
Superman 5-5
Wonder Woman 6-4
Zatana 4-6
Zod 6-4

IMO. Thoughts?

@WoundCowboy
@P2W

Anti-Sinestro Corps
@Blind_Ducky
@GGA 16 Bit
@Tm_whiteboi
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Lol idk why he put me as his source for Sinestro, I literally gave him 1 matchup number... Superman 5-5.

And I do play Sinestro, he's my secondary.
 
Pnut

Pnut

Mouth of the Illuminati
IMakeItL00kC00L said:
6-4 for bane? 5-5 for flash? 4-4 for mmh?????????:eek: Also @Eldriken this list aint even in alphabetical order
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Flash may seem bad but sinestro out footsies him with b12. And his ability to change his jump arc with air axe is very good in this matchup. Bane may be 5-5 but until bane players show me that they can get through zoning then I'm going to keep it here. (Even though I lost to FKjR at EVO). this thing that Martian is 3-7 is bogus. Once you get trait this matchup becomes rather simple because you can literally make Martian your bitch. You can trait him out of OH teleport and punish pillar from half screen away. The only thing that makes this mu hard is trait footsies and orb. Just grind it out and you'll understand. You have to play super patiently and get trait. Vortex when available.
 
IMakeItL00kC00L

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
Hysteria said:
Flash may seem bad but sinestro out footsies him with b12. And his ability to change his jump arc with air axe is very good in this matchup. Bane may be 5-5 but until bane players show me that they can get through zoning then I'm going to keep it here. (Even though I lost to FKjR at EVO). this thing that Martian is 3-7 is bogus. Once you get trait this matchup becomes rather simple because you can literally make Martian your bitch. You can trait him out of OH teleport and punish pillar from half screen away. The only thing that makes this mu hard is trait footsies and orb. Just grind it out and you'll understand. You have to play super patiently and get trait. Vortex when available.
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I put the martian thing because you had it out of 8 games instead of 10 lol unless.................................











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Mmh sinestro is 5-5
 
TKB

TKB

Noob
Hysteria said:
Flash may seem bad but sinestro out footsies him with b12. And his ability to change his jump arc with air axe is very good in this matchup. Bane may be 5-5 but until bane players show me that they can get through zoning then I'm going to keep it here. (Even though I lost to FKjR at EVO). this thing that Martian is 3-7 is bogus. Once you get trait this matchup becomes rather simple because you can literally make Martian your bitch. You can trait him out of OH teleport and punish pillar from half screen away. The only thing that makes this mu hard is trait footsies and orb. Just grind it out and you'll understand. You have to play super patiently and get trait. Vortex when available.
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I feel like the reason everyone says this matchup is 7-3 MMH is because they can't just throw out lemons and boulders whenever the fuck they want lol I agree with you. Patience is the key.
 
IMakeItL00kC00L

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
TelekineticBeing said:
I feel like the reason everyone says this matchup is 7-3 MMH is because they can't just throw out lemons and boulders whenever the fuck they want lol I agree with you. Patience is the key.
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But you can never throw out boulders just because lol even though i get away with that all the time. (Literally i won a game by doing wakeup boulder at point blank range)
 
cR WoundCowboy

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
Hysteria said:
Your Sinestro chart needs slight adjustment. I don't know if Telekinetic even plays Sinestro.

Aquaman 3-7
Bane 6-4
Batgirl 5-5
Batman 4-6
Ares 5-5
Cyborg 7-3
Black Adam 5-5
Catwoman 7-3
Deathstroke 5-5
Doomsday 4-6
Flash 5-5
GL 6-4
GA 6-4
Harley 6-4 (Maybe 7-3)
Hawkgirl 7-3
Joker 7-3
KF 5-5
Lex 8-2
Lobo 5-5
MMH 4-4
NW 6-4
Raven 6-4
Scorpion 5-5
Shazam 6-4
Grundy 5-5
Sinestro 5-5
Superman 5-5
Wonder Woman 6-4
Zatana 4-6
Zod 6-4

IMO. Thoughts?

@WoundCowboy
@P2W

Anti-Sinestro Corps
@Blind_Ducky
@GGA 16 Bit
@Tm_whiteboi
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I agree for the most part. I would change superman to 6-4, Grundy to
6-4, GA to 7-3, and Bane to 5-5
 
HoneyBee

HoneyBee

Flash God Lord
DreadKnight1 said:
Zyphox and honeybee are always bitching at me for these numbers because not all of them are agreeable to them. they'll probably show up in a few hours and tell me it's wrong and flash is really top 3 @SneakyTortoise
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DreadKnight1 said:
Obviously mus are controversial but here's my source of information for the mu numbers already recorded:

Flash: Zyphox's mu chart and HoneyBee's mu chart
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Your list:
Flash vs Solomon Grundy: 7-3
Flash vs Zod: 4-6
Flash vs Lex: 7-3
Flash vs Raven: 6-4
Flash vs Zatanna: 4-6
Flash vs Shazam: 6-4
Flash vs Sinestro: 6-4
Flash vs Bane: 6-4

My list:
Flash vs Solomon Grundy: 6-4
Flash vs Zod: 5-5
Flash vs Lex: 6-4
Flash vs Raven: 7-3
Flash vs Zatanna: 5-5
Flash vs Shazam: 5-5
Flash vs Sinestro: 5-5
Flash vs Bane: 6-4 (Possibly 7-3) I'm currently leaning more heavily towards 7-3 than 6-4.

No shit we're gonna bitch about your numbers when you have OUR (more importantly MY in this post) MU numbers as your source of information. I swear we've gone over this already in a different thread. Just because other Flash players that don't play the MU correctly or face other people that aren't playing the MU correctly think the MU is a certain number, doesn't mean shit when the top reps of the characters have played each other and can agree on the numbers given (my numbers). If you don't want to listen to me, fine. Kindly take my name off as one of your sources of information. Simple.
 
STORMS

STORMS

Co-founder
Founder
Premium Supporter
DreadKnight1 said:
':eek:....this has to be up there with one of the most ignorant posts i've every read on tym.'
Wtf are you talking about? Literally nobody will ever use him at a major tournament ever again(or at least won't get far at all), I haven't seen one online in months, his mu numbers are more or less a mystery to most people as well. Lmao most ignorant, your talking out your ass because I was clearly joking and taking the piss of how I can say any mu that isn't completely obscene and it'd be perceived by most as believable because nobody has a fucking clue about this character anymore. @1man3letters
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COMETH DOWN

I say only tournament players should be posting in here, unless specifically stated that this is a "general MU discussion".

Do you go to tournaments?

:coffee:
 
cR_whiteboi

cR_whiteboi

Jobbers are mouthpieces for gods.
Hysteria said:
Your Sinestro chart needs slight adjustment. I don't know if Telekinetic even plays Sinestro.

Aquaman 3-7
Bane 6-4
Batgirl 5-5
Batman 4-6
Ares 5-5
Cyborg 7-3
Black Adam 5-5
Catwoman 7-3
Deathstroke 5-5
Doomsday 4-6
Flash 5-5
GL 6-4
GA 7-3
Harley 6-4 (Maybe 7-3)
Hawkgirl 7-3
Joker 7-3
KF 5-5
Lex 8-2
Lobo 5-5
MMH 4-6
NW 6-4
Raven 6-4
Scorpion 5-5
Shazam 6-4
Grundy 5-5
Sinestro 5-5
Superman 6-4
Wonder Woman 6-4
Zatana 4-6
Zod 6-4

IMO. Thoughts?

@WoundCowboy
@P2W

Anti-Sinestro Corps
@Blind_Ducky
@GGA 16 Bit
@Tm_whiteboi
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doomsday is 5-5
 
Tony at Home

Tony at Home

Noob
DreadKnight1 said:
Lol no way. GL beats lex 6-4 definitely, am 5-5 then, kf definitely beats lex 6-4 too and lex definitely loses to flash 7-3. If you do better than 7-3 against a great flash lemme know
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You have to actually justify those numbers, especially when you're going to go against conventional wisdom with your own numbers.

What does GL have that makes the matchup so much in his favor? What tool does Lex have that isn't useful or is nullified by something Green Lantern counters with it?Unlike your other numbers for him, I'm sure that many GL players would agree with you on this because their lack of Lex experience, but I honestly think this is 5-5. Both characters have all their tools in this matchup, all their strengths work as they should and all their weaknesses are as exploitable as usual.

As for Aquaman, his main strength is completely nullified and exploited by the main strength of Lex. He can't zone Lex from the majority of screen space, and can't play his usual footsies game.

Flash is bad, because he has many quick multi-hits, his J2, and it's hard for Lex to get out of his pressure: but a close mine is still a nightmare for Flash and it's what allows Lex to get momentum against him. 3-7 is definitely being overly pessimistic about what is generally agreed upon to be a 4-6 that is maybe even closer to 5-5.


You should probably defer to matchup numbers given by top level players. Even if you play Lex and feel like you know the matchup, you don't know it as well as they do. Personally the Deathstroke matchup is impossible for me- but I wouldn't go around saying it's 1-9 just because of my own inexperienced opinion.
 
ARMOR

ARMOR

Khaos God
Premium Supporter
Hysteria said:
Your Sinestro chart needs slight adjustment. I don't know if Telekinetic even plays Sinestro.

Aquaman 3-7
Bane 6-4
Batgirl 5-5
Batman 4-6
Ares 5-5
Cyborg 7-3
Black Adam 5-5
Catwoman 7-3
Deathstroke 5-5
Doomsday 4-6
Flash 5-5
GL 6-4
GA 7-3
Harley 6-4 (Maybe 7-3)
Hawkgirl 7-3
Joker 7-3
KF 5-5
Lex 8-2
Lobo 5-5
MMH 4-6
NW 6-4
Raven 6-4
Scorpion 5-5
Shazam 6-4
Grundy 5-5
Sinestro 5-5
Superman 6-4
Wonder Woman 6-4
Zatana 4-6
Zod 6-4

IMO. Thoughts?

@WoundCowboy
@P2W

Anti-Sinestro Corps
@Blind_Ducky
@GGA 16 Bit
@Tm_whiteboi
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Since when does zod lose to sinestro? I feel that mu could go either way.
 
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