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Red Reaper

The Hyrax Whisperer
Klefki is still good, though Smogon Klefki no longer has Swagger. Also, Klefki can't hit worth shit if you're not a physical attacker under Smogon rules. Togekiss isn't on Mawile/Azumarill level. Sylveon has nice defensive potential, but gets her back blown out by hard hitters on the physical side, and doesn't do the cleric role as flawlessly as Chansey/Blissey. Gardevoir is the most damaging Fairy with Mega form, but doesn't have the stats or typing to be that far up there. And despite how good all of the Fairies may be, they get 10-0'd by Heatran all day, everyday.

So far, they've made an impact on what they were supposed to do, but they haven't completely taken over. Now Talonflame... >_>
TalonFlame is awesome...

But balanced because...... .....4x Stealth Rock!
 

AK Ace Universe

Yomi | RM Raoh
Still top 2 in usage, though. >_>

Greninja's also ridiculous. Protean combined with 122 speed and respectable SpA? Juicy.
I will only say, that Pixilate makes Sylveon a lot scarier than it should be. I agree with the FUCK TALONFLAME movement, but you can just run Heatran against it and profit. Seriously, fuck both of those Pokemon. Greninja is kinda under-appreciated imo. However I will say, Special lead Greninja with U-Turn with Espeon on the same team is really sick.
 

Derptile

RIP Ex Smash
Considering they're the main reason Dragons aren't so scary anymore, I think they're fine.

The type itself is really, really good, but no worse than Dragons. At least there are very few actually powerful Fairies, and only one so far is in question. The rest are there, but not really centralizing. The main reason they were brought in was to actually give Dragons something to fear. Seeing as how Salamence has been knocked down to UU, I'm not upset with the change they've brought. Game Freak actually did a damn good job in keeping them in line.
Fairies are fundamentally broken, let's look at the facts.(A long and dull read, cliffs at bottom)

1. Fairies are only weak to poison(lol worst typing in the game) and steel(Besides scizor and the super rare Bisharp, these are the only two viable STAB users of steel in OU). So their weaknesses are close to being nonexistent.

2. They probably have the second best defensive typing in the game. Now there is nothing wrong with giving a typing a ton of resistances as long as they have their fair share of weaknesses, like steel for example. It resists an astounding 10 types but gets bodied by Fire, Fighting, and ground, and those 3 types are extremely common offensive typings so you never here anyone really complaining about steel(not to mention the offensive capabilities of steel are comparable to a hamster). But fairies just essentially break the usual pokemon rules of defensive and offensive tradeoffs. They resist some of the offensive types on the games(fighting and dark) and are immune to dragons(also they're resistant to bugs, but lol bug typing).

3. Resisting those types is reasonable, but for some god forsaken reason they're also super effective to dark, fighting, and dragon which gives them so many situations where they can switch in and you can't do shit, forcing you to switch out and they get a free turn of whatever they want.

4. They have access to STAB moonblast and play rough, so a fairy never has to worry about having a good physical or special stab(unlike ice or electric). Not to mention that the average fairy type has access to 10000000000000 different moves, clefable and togekiss both learn strong fire and psychic moves essentially removing their two weaknesses.

cliffs:
1. The types fairies are weak to are laughable
2. They resist 2 great offensive typings (fighting and dark) are immune to a really great type(dragon) and resist bugs for no reason whatsoever.
3. Resisting many types is okay, but also having really good offensive capabilities doesn't make sense.
4. They have great STABS and most have great movepools which allows them to not fear their weaknesses.


If I was to have my way with them I change 2 things:

1. Make it so that they would be resisted by one or 2 more types(Ice or ghost)
2. Give them one weakness to a common offensive typing(Ice or ghost)

/endrant
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
The type itself is really fucking good, but the best OU Fairymons aren't THAT major of threats for a reason. Most of them still are pretty blah on the base stat argument, and while 80/90/95 BP moves are good, unless that Mon has Pixilate, they don't have anything more damaging. Only Azumarill, MMawile, MGard, and Sylveon hit hard as shit with Fairy moves. Only Azumarill and Mawile are that massive of threats.

I don't give a shit about Fairies, really.

Also, gimme your Skypes everyone so I can add you.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
So Entei is fucking sweet. Goddamn, Sacred Fire is the shit...ES is pretty damn awesome, too.
 

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Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
I will only say, that Pixilate makes Sylveon a lot scarier than it should be. I agree with the FUCK TALONFLAME movement, but you can just run Heatran against it and profit. Seriously, fuck both of those Pokemon. Greninja is kinda under-appreciated imo. However I will say, Special lead Greninja with U-Turn with Espeon on the same team is really sick.
I run Heatran on my main team because it just rawks. Heatran blows up Talonflame and every last Fairy...if you get the burn on Azumarill, it gets mopped up, too.

Sylveon is great simply because of Pixilate. I actually use it as a cleric that also dents shit. If it weren't for the cleric part, I'd swap it for Togekiss, though, since Togekiss says F-you to Ground and Fighting.

Mega Aggron is also a wonderful tank. I love me some tanks...by far my favorite Mega.
 

TopTierHarley

Kytinn King
The type itself is really fucking good, but the best OU Fairymons aren't THAT major of threats for a reason. Most of them still are pretty blah on the base stat argument, and while 80/90/95 BP moves are good, unless that Mon has Pixilate, they don't have anything more damaging. Only Azumarill, MMawile, MGard, and Sylveon hit hard as shit with Fairy moves. Only Azumarill and Mawile are that massive of threats.

I don't give a shit about Fairies, really.

Also, gimme your Skypes everyone so I can add you.
thegrandenigma (once everyone puts theirs up I'll add it in the OP)
 

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
Also, fairies arent that serious right now. Azu and mawile are the only two that are really that scary atm. Togekiss gets destroyed by stiff that is waaaaay to common. ttar, excadrill, terrakion, thundurus, landorus, kyurem b are just a few examples of pokes that fuck her up. Sylven gets walled by too much simply because she relies soley on hyper voice to do damage while heatran laughs at her. Mawile is mawile, but from the looks of it is probably going to get banned. Ill say gardevoir is scarier now that Aegislash is gone, but Klefki aint shit, clefable is the shit as long as she isnt getting taunted. Fairies arent the problem imo right now, but excadrill sure as hell is one.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Muk or Koffing REALLY need a mega to push them into OU to say fuck you to fairy typing.

Or Arbok.

My main gripe with Poison is how pitiful it really is as a type. Fairy's do make you pack something to deal with them... just like the old dragons did. Difference being that dragons were weak to themselves... so everyone had one.

I hate fairy typing. I hate that they mixed just about every fairy with something to cover one of its weakness'. If they are going to have so many different resistances and an Immunity.... then you need to undo the bug resistance and remove some of the incredibly deep movepools.

All of my teams struggle against the Fairy typing. I carry Scolipede on most of my teams simply because it is a physcial attacker that has a STAB poison move.... but I still get smashed by Mawile. But like Joker said..... it struggles against alot of the other offensive typings...... but then it has sucker punch. FFS.
 

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
Muk or Koffing REALLY need a mega to push them into OU to say fuck you to fairy typing.

Or Arbok.

My main gripe with Poison is how pitiful it really is as a type. Fairy's do make you pack something to deal with them... just like the old dragons did. Difference being that dragons were weak to themselves... so everyone had one.

I hate fairy typing. I hate that they mixed just about every fairy with something to cover one of its weakness'. If they are going to have so many different resistances and an Immunity.... then you need to undo the bug resistance and remove some of the incredibly deep movepools.

All of my teams struggle against the Fairy typing. I carry Scolipede on most of my teams simply because it is a physcial attacker that has a STAB poison move.... but I still get smashed by Mawile. But like Joker said..... it struggles against alot of the other offensive typings...... but then it has sucker punch. FFS.
Meeeh I do agree that poison is bad, but it's mostly because of it's weakness to ground that kills it, and as long as eq is a thing I don't really see poison types becoming prominent without a second typing to back it up. Fairies don't really MAKE you pack something for them either, the meta is just kind of set up to deal with them atm, and it's mostly to deal with the re-emergence of flying types. Steel is everywhere this gen, you can't hide from it and it has gotten better offensively this gen while remaining about the same defensively with maybe a slight nerf due to the ghost/dark neutrality now. Also half of the decent/good fairies in the meta don't have any coverage on their weaknesses. Klefki, Mawile and Azumarill are the only ones I can think of off the top that really do, while Clefable and Sylveon deal with monotype fairy and Togekiss, Gardevoir, Diancie all actually gain more weaknesses with their dual typing. The movepools don't make them that scary either seeing how the majority of them don't hit that hard, and aside from Mawile and Gardevoir their move pools aren't even really that deep. Clefable and Sylveon only run the same two moves if they are offensive, Togekiss runs like three, and if you don't have them you aren't anywhere near as viable. They really aren't a hard typing to deal with imo, and I think they are very healthy for the meta so that dragons no longer reign free.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Meeeh I do agree that poison is bad, but it's mostly because of it's weakness to ground that kills it, and as long as eq is a thing I don't really see poison types becoming prominent without a second typing to back it up. Fairies don't really MAKE you pack something for them either, the meta is just kind of set up to deal with them atm, and it's mostly to deal with the re-emergence of flying types. Steel is everywhere this gen, you can't hide from it and it has gotten better offensively this gen while remaining about the same defensively with maybe a slight nerf due to the ghost/dark neutrality now. Also half of the decent/good fairies in the meta don't have any coverage on their weaknesses. Klefki, Mawile and Azumarill are the only ones I can think of off the top that really do, while Clefable and Sylveon deal with monotype fairy and Togekiss, Gardevoir, Diancie all actually gain more weaknesses with their dual typing. The movepools don't make them that scary either seeing how the majority of them don't hit that hard, and aside from Mawile and Gardevoir their move pools aren't even really that deep. Clefable and Sylveon only run the same two moves if they are offensive, Togekiss runs like three, and if you don't have them you aren't anywhere near as viable. They really aren't a hard typing to deal with imo, and I think they are very healthy for the meta so that dragons no longer reign free.
I agree

but what hits them hard? Like there is a fairy "typing" for every team you can think of.

it is a good thing Mawile is a mega...... because offensively it is a beast. It literally can force out just about anything..... and really isn't scared of a single pokemon late game.

All Fairy's tank hits like a champ..... so big deal that they can't OHKO.... when they'll tank and force you out and boost on that force out. Now they DO hit hard.

Really I think they're ok...... on paper.

But without having a STONG ass poison type pokemon that instead of tanking hits and stalling...... simply dishes them out...... they'll be VERY prevalent. I just think they needed to either give a PURE poison type pokemon a mega.... or introduce a strong poison type user. Or even just remove the freaking Ground weakness... as that is a joke if i've ever seen one.
 

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
I agree

but what hits them hard? Like there is a fairy "typing" for every team you can think of.

it is a good thing Mawile is a mega...... because offensively it is a beast. It literally can force out just about anything..... and really isn't scared of a single pokemon late game.

All Fairy's tank hits like a champ..... so big deal that they can't OHKO.... when they'll tank and force you out and boost on that force out. Now they DO hit hard.

Really I think they're ok...... on paper.

But without having a STONG ass poison type pokemon that instead of tanking hits and stalling...... simply dishes them out...... they'll be VERY prevalent. I just think they needed to either give a PURE poison type pokemon a mega.... or introduce a strong poison type user. Or even just remove the freaking Ground weakness... as that is a joke if i've ever seen one.
You are forgetting the steel weakness though, you don't need poison, in fact it won't even effect mawile. Excadrill is the biggest fairy killer in the game right now, and for good reason, it's Iron head fucking hurts. Especially if it happens to be running a SD set. Steel is the way to deal with fairies not poison unless yer running venusaur or landorus with sludge wave.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
You are forgetting the steel weakness though, you don't need poison, in fact it won't even effect mawile. Excadrill is the biggest fairy killer in the game right now, and for good reason, it's Iron head fucking hurts. Especially if it happens to be running a SD set. Steel is the way to deal with fairies not poison unless yer running venusaur or landorus with sludge wave.
i'm willing to be you're running him in tandem with TTar tho..... with sand rush....... so yeah.
Yes Steel is def. the fairy killer... I get that. But i still don't understand why they didn't pump up a poison mon as well to really bring back the Psychic types outside of the dragons.
Poison is so cool yet so bad in this game :(

but yeah I agree with everything you've said as well. I think i'm just disappointed in the implementation and how many of the Fairy types are not single but dual that tend to negate one of the weakness' they have, and give Mawile 2 immunities while having a boosting move and sucker punch.
If you haven't noticed, I hate dealing with Mawile.
 

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
i'm willing to be you're running him in tandem with TTar tho..... with sand rush....... so yeah.
Yes Steel is def. the fairy killer... I get that. But i still don't understand why they didn't pump up a poison mon as well to really bring back the Psychic types outside of the dragons.
Poison is so cool yet so bad in this game :(

but yeah I agree with everything you've said as well. I think i'm just disappointed in the implementation and how many of the Fairy types are not single but dual that tend to negate one of the weakness' they have, and give Mawile 2 immunities while having a boosting move and sucker punch.
If you haven't noticed, I hate dealing with Mawile.
Oh I don't run him atm, but I have been looking into putting him onto my mega ttar team with sand rush so yeah haha. Mawile can be a bitch so that's understandable lol. I personally wish poison types were better as well, because a resurgence of psychics would be awesome to me as well lol.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Oh I don't run him atm, but I have been looking into putting him onto my mega ttar team with sand rush so yeah haha. Mawile can be a bitch so that's understandable lol. I personally wish poison types were better as well, because a resurgence of psychics would be awesome to me as well lol.
The only true counter to most fairies that i've used has been Toxicroak. He destroys Azu's priority and hits mawile like a fucking truck while replenishing its life. Basically I can switch him in and get a free sub then smash any fairy/steel/rock/dark/grass/bug and coverage a few other types while hiding behind the sub.
And I can boost.

But he's such a frail poke :(