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SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Raven loses 3-7 to Grundy and Doomsday but 4-6 to Bane??? No.

I also don't think she loses to Lobo, and beats NW and Ares. Those are my main gripes about her listings but overall it isn't bad.
 
JustPressingButtons

JustPressingButtons

Clown
SaltShaker said:
Raven loses 3-7 to Grundy and Doomsday but 4-6 to Bane??? No.

I also don't think she loses to Lobo, and beats NW and Ares. Those are my main gripes about her listings but overall it isn't bad.
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The fact that lobo eats her alive on wake up and her frame trap not working on him is enough of a reason to justify a 4-6 lol.
*Rant over*
 
Malarkey

Malarkey

"What's that? Something like underground?"
SaltShaker said:
Raven loses 3-7 to Grundy and Doomsday but 4-6 to Bane??? No.

I also don't think she loses to Lobo, and beats NW and Ares. Those are my main gripes about her listings but overall it isn't bad.
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Grundy and Doomsday have an easier time getting in than Bane does, with WC and Mb Venom, respectively. F222 also shuts down a lot of Bane's neutral armor options. If it wasn't for him destroying her on wake up it would be even imo.

Unless what you meant is she only loses 4-6 to Grundy and DD, which I disagree with as well.
 
SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Malarkey said:
Grundy and Doomsday have an easier time getting in than Bane does, with WC and Mb Venom, respectively. F222 also shuts down a lot of Bane's neutral armor options. If it wasn't for him destroying her on wake up it would be even imo.

Unless what you meant is she only loses 4-6 to Grundy and DD, which I disagree with as well.
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Grundy MU is ass.

There is no way in hell DD is a tougher fight than Bane. You can get DD off of you and block some of his stuff up close. Push block does wonders in this MU compared to the other two as well. It ain't 3-7. If you win stage select it gives you slight help against DD as well, but feels irrelevant against Bane and Grundy. The instant Bane taps you you might as well put down the controller.

Grundy 3-7, Bane 3-7, DD 4-6 imo. Maybe having played Max has made me ultra salty, but I've never felt this DD MU was as tough as Grundy or Bane.
 
DreadKnight1

DreadKnight1

Beaten, by this mere man
Vagrant said:
Player opinions on matchup numbers do not make them reality. Even at a "high level".
The characters and matchups are still evolving and changing.


I applaud your effort, but "most accurate EVER" is basically asking for trouble.
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I simply wanted the attention of all top players, the title is what decides if you are interested or not and I needed interest for this process to work
 
Malarkey

Malarkey

"What's that? Something like underground?"
SaltShaker said:
Grundy MU is ass.

There is no way in hell DD is a tougher fight than Bane. You can get DD off of you and block some of his stuff up close. Push block does wonders in this MU compared to the other two as well. It ain't 3-7. If you win stage select it gives you slight help against DD as well, but feels irrelevant against Bane and Grundy. The instant Bane taps you you might as well put down the controller.

Grundy 3-7, Bane 3-7, DD 4-6 imo. Maybe having played Max has made me ultra salty, but I've never felt this DD MU was as tough as Grundy or Bane.
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@Blind_Man
 
Blind_Ducky

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
SaltShaker said:
Raven loses 3-7 to Grundy and Doomsday but 4-6 to Bane??? No.

I also don't think she loses to Lobo, and beats NW and Ares. Those are my main gripes about her listings but overall it isn't bad.
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Bane beats her 4-6 because she outfootsies him. F2 beats all his options. She also can zone him out. I think it may actually be possible to argue that it's 5-5 but it likely isn't. This isn't to blow up max at all but we played a ft5 at evo and I won 5-0 and I beat forever king jrs bane. I'm allowed to say what I want about this mu. Doomsday is 3-7 because of the horrendous neutral game where Raven literally has no options. Pushblock does nothing against doomsday. She beats bane full screen and in the neutral.

Lobo has all the tools too beat Raven. He ignores her zoning, can punish crush, outfootsies her, outdamages her, kills her on knockdown.

Nightwing is even or nightwing wins 6-4

Ares is even cause reasons.
 
SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Blind_Man said:
Bane beats her 4-6 because she outfootsies him. F2 beats all his options. She also can zone him out. I think it may actually be possible to argue that it's 5-5 but it likely isn't. This isn't to blow up max at all but we played a ft5 at evo and I won 5-0 and I beat forever king jrs bane. I'm allowed to say what I want about this mu. Doomsday is 3-7 because of the horrendous neutral game where Raven literally has no options. Pushblock does nothing against doomsday. She beats bane full screen and in the neutral.

Lobo has all the tools too beat Raven. He ignores her zoning, can punish crush, outfootsies her, outdamages her, kills her on knockdown.

Nightwing is even or nightwing wins 6-4

Ares is even cause reasons.
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Mind blown on that Bane MU talk I just read. I must be doing something INCREDIBLY wrong then because it feels retarded when I play against a top Bane. Like pointless almost lol.

Also, admittingly I haven't played a great DD in a while so my view on that MU may be outdated.

I'm willing to concede to your judgment on most of the MU's listed due to your ability+knowledge > my some ability+knowledge.








Except NW lol.
 
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