Delayed Wakeup...should MKX consider it? (plus other Wakeup discussion in general)

Doombawkz said:

Like Bane lazy, or like Grundy lazy?

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both

I hate the fact that they can basically get up for free all the time.

If they wanted to really balance out the oki on these two..... all you would have to do is remove WC as a wakeup, and Bane just wouldn't have the venom armor on anything that was a wakeup attack. You still get the invinc moves, but not the "I wakeup everytime and what are you gonna do about it" syndrom that both MK9 and Injustice have.

NRF CharlieMurphy said:

both

I hate the fact that they can basically get up for free all the time.

If they wanted to really balance out the oki on these two..... all you would have to do is remove WC as a wakeup, and Bane just wouldn't have the venom armor on anything that was a wakeup attack. You still get the invinc moves, but not the "I wakeup everytime and what are you gonna do about it" syndrom that both MK9 and Injustice have.

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Even if you removed venom, the only worthwhile wake-up (VU and it's MB variant) would still be just as safe

Doombawkz said:

Even if you removed venom, the only worthwhile wake-up (VU and it's MB variant) would still be just as safe

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it wouldn't have invinc in my case.....

The point is to create real oki...... for everyone. Not fake Oki.

Teleports wouldn't have invinc either....... as that is one of the dumbest things i've ever seen.

The fewer dumb oki set ups the better, IMO

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Of course there shouldn't be wake up for free moves either. It's a tough balance.

NRF CharlieMurphy said:

it wouldn't have invinc in my case.....

The point is to create real oki...... for everyone. Not fake Oki.

Teleports wouldn't have invinc either....... as that is one of the dumbest things i've ever seen.

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Still doesn't matter, the hitbox is active the moment he starts moving. The best you can do it trade.

I just like the idea of deep mind games and a lot of options on wakeup. If stuff like rolls come up or teching it may require some sort of meter cost though similar to pushblock in IGAU. In IGAU I was originally for free pushblocking, but that wouldn't have worked in its environment given how strong some spacing tools were. If you earn your way in it shouldn't be free to take that away from someone who earned it given that MK isn't really a rapid dash game where you can close gaps as quick as the kind of games that give those options for free like Blaz Blue...same with a knockdown in MKX. There should be tools, but I'm thinking a MB defensive wakeup tool for an "oh shit!" situation you desperately want to escape could work.