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Guide How to fight Doomsday, by SonicBoomBrad

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Eldriken

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Haven't played it as much as I'd like to but I refuse to play this game online. I don't really see how he wins. If you'd like to explain it to me though, I'll listen and give you my opinions.
I'd like to see your reason(s) why you think Zatanna beats Doomsday. I think it's a 5-5 myself, but I'm not anywhere near as well known as you or other Doomsday players, so I can't really be held in a high regard.

I just honestly don't see how she beats him.
 

SonicBoomBrad

Best Doomsday in the world
I'd like to see your reason(s) why you think Zatanna beats Doomsday. I think it's a 5-5 myself, but I'm not anywhere near as well known as you or other Doomsday players, so I can't really be held in a high regard.

I just honestly don't see how she beats him.
Damage output, teleports, levitate teleporting for meter build. The only thing she has that DD can exploit is slow normals up close. Like I said I haven't played that specific match up as much as I'd like. So don't take that match up number serious. Shazam beats him though. I'm convinced.

lol. Zatanna beating doomie. That's funny.
I wish you'd fucking say something to me instead of always being so god damn passive aggressive. Why don't you list out some opinions.
 

SonicBoomBrad

Best Doomsday in the world
I'd almost like to say his wake ups are easier to beat than Batman's. But that would be taking it way too far and make me seem like I'm downplaying my character. :joker:
Up venom is better than slide unfortunately. Plus he gets a pretty decent combo off of MB up venom sometimes.
 
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Eldriken

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Up venom is better than slide unfortunately. Plus he gets a pretty decent combo off of MB up venom sometimes.
Only when it crosses up from what I can tell. The first hit has to miss as far as I know.

But yeah, I think almost every wake up in the game (barring parries, obviously) is better than slide.

"Hey, guys. I'm Batman and my slide leaves me AT A DISADVANTAGE ON HIT. Cool, right?!"
 
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Eldriken

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good games on Sunday bro <3
Likewise. We'll have to get some more in for sure.

My wife unexpectedly needing help with crap totally ruined everything, however! Damn holidays.

Our last match made me salty as fuck because my pushblocks weren't coming out, nor were my clashes. I don't normally stand there and eat shit like that while in the corner. I try to get out. XD
 

ryublaze

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actually i'm trying it right now in training mode

33 you can backdash in between but u have to be crouch blocking the first 3.

123 you don't need to be in crouch block to backdash it. you can backdash between the 1 and 2 but the 3 will catch your backdash so imo it's better to backdash between the 2 and 3. i haven't been able to d1 or MB B3 in between anything though.
 
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Eldriken

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actually i'm trying it right now in training mode

33 you can backdash in between but u have to be crouch blocking the first 3.

123 you don't need to be in crouch block to backdash it. you can backdash between the 1 and 2 but the 3 will catch your backdash so imo it's better to backdash between the 2 and 3. i haven't been able to d1 or MB B3 in between anything though.
Whaaaaat? You can backdash the first 3 of 33 even with the amount of stagger it causes?

Oh, well. It's not like I really use it all that much anyway. I mainly use it in the corner. Let 'em backdash it, I say. I'm sure the second 3 will clip 'em in the corner.

To be perfectly honest, I don't really care that these can be backdashed as I generally only use them (on block) in the corner. I prefer to use different things midscreen.

It's still good to know that these are options for my opponent, granted that they know them. I say let 'em learn my weaknesses! I WILL ADAPT AND OVERCOME.
 

ryublaze

Noob
Whaaaaat? You can backdash the first 3 of 33 even with the amount of stagger it causes?

Oh, well. It's not like I really use it all that much anyway. I mainly use it in the corner. Let 'em backdash it, I say. I'm sure the second 3 will clip 'em in the corner.

To be perfectly honest, I don't really care that these can be backdashed as I generally only use them (on block) in the corner. I prefer to use different things midscreen.

It's still good to know that these are options for my opponent, granted that they know them. I say let 'em learn my weaknesses! I WILL ADAPT AND OVERCOME.
i actually use body splash 33 sometimes cuz u can hitconfirm into MB ES, and they might fear ES so they'll be stand blocking. i don't think you can get punished for it being backdashed.

also you can backdash 123 and 33 in the corner too. i'm doing it right now :p
 
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Eldriken

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i actually use body splash 33 sometimes cuz u can hitconfirm into MB ES, and they might fear ES so they'll be stand blocking. i don't think you can get punished for it being backdashed.

also you can backdash 123 and 33 in the corner too. i'm doing it right now :p
What's the timing on the backdash? Does it have to be a just frame so they get the backdash invincibility?
 
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Eldriken

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easier than backdashing GL's b13 cuz the string is so slow. you should try it when you get the chance.
I will. I'll try it tonight when I get home.

I'll see what kind of options I can come up with in case I notice someone tries to backdash them.
 

ryublaze

Noob
I will. I'll try it tonight when I get home.

I'll see what kind of options I can come up with in case I notice someone tries to backdash them.
i've found that if you think they're going to backdash you can do 3 ES but if you do that midscreen it's risky cuz if they block it standing the ES will whiff and you can be punished. Of course you can also just do body splash raw ES so they'll start stand blocking. 12 ES also works for catching backdashes and has no risk.
 
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Eldriken

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i've found that if you think they're going to backdash you can do 3 ES but if you do that midscreen it's risky cuz if they block it standing the ES will whiff and you can be punished. Of course you can also just do body splash raw ES so they'll start stand blocking. 12 ES also works for catching backdashes and has no risk.
Cover both your bases if you've got meter by doing 3~MB Venom. They backdash? They get hit. Don't backdash? You're still safe. :D
 

Qwark28

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i've found that if you think they're going to backdash you can do 3 ES but if you do that midscreen it's risky cuz if they block it standing the ES will whiff and you can be punished. Of course you can also just do body splash raw ES so they'll start stand blocking. 12 ES also works for catching backdashes and has no risk.
Cover both your bases if you've got meter by doing 3~MB Venom. They backdash? They get hit. Don't backdash? You're still safe. :D
3 ~ mb venom spends one bar for 10% into a techable knockdown

What you should do if you know they will backdash is do S3 dash in d1 ~ venom / D3
 

ryublaze

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Cover both your bases if you've got meter by doing 3~MB Venom. They backdash? They get hit. Don't backdash? You're still safe. :D
if they get hit by the 3 then they get launched too high and your venom goes underneath them. also i think they can option select block that cuz venom comes out so fast, so they'll either backdash the string or still be able to block the venom.
 

ryublaze

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3 ~ mb venom spends one bar for 10% into a techable knockdown

What you should do if you know they will backdash is do S3 dash in d1 ~ venom / D3
isn't dash full combo punishable if they don't backdash? seems kinda risky. i'm punishing the dash before he can d1
 

SonicBoomBrad

Best Doomsday in the world
3 ~ mb venom spends one bar for 10% into a techable knockdown

What you should do if you know they will backdash is do S3 dash in d1 ~ venom / D3
Dashing creates a risk though where if they read it they can punish you. Kinda sucks for Doomsday because he doesn't get much damage off of it
 
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