EGP Wonder_Chef
Official Quan Chi Nerf Demander™
vs deathstroke and raven MMH can't zone for free either
vs deathstroke and raven MMH can't zone for free either
i made a thread before asking who countered mmh. the lex players said its even and mmh wins on stages with interactables. why jupiter has it as losing is highly questionable. he's known to downplay in stream chats but then again he doesn't travel much so his opinion could be lack of exp for some matches on his part.
Only because Martian is mediocre at best. I'm glad you finally agree with me on this, Chef.
It is very easy to zone harley and chip her to death, she is always at risk during the zoning war and he can punish her cartwheel hard.
mmh gets a tap on the wrist when hes counter zoned by raven and ds. raven and ds lose almost half their life and then are put in a mmh's uber knock down game that could lead to a whole life bar lost situation. this is also not including the free 22% damage he gets off interactable at the end of combos into uber oki game
Regardless, they both sit at a stalemate from fullscreen, also MMH's is only on a read if he starts jumping.
i'm not saying mmh just needs to yolo spam teleport. i'm saying the threat of teleport forces them to play overly defensive or they could potentially lose a life bar. they also can't use interactables much due to teleport or jump. what about orbs? orbs make raven and ds have to respond or stay locked down in the neutral game where mmh can just dash in or start his pressure and 50/50s. there is no way i'm convinced these matches are 5-5 and mmh has to work equally as hard as the other 3
Those are all good points. My only response concerns the comeback factor. If sinestro falls behind in this matchup he's screwed whereas MMH can be effective with or without the life lead. In a neutral situation I agree it's 5-5 but once he falls behind he can't do much. B1 is great but only when the opponent needs to come in. My 2 cents, for what it's worth.
who ever takes the lead wins and also sinestro has his vortex wich matian has to respect
mmh is the ultimate interactable char. everyone loses to him on stages with a lot of toys
I dont agree maybe it's just me but she can gunshot him out of anything and then he has to rush in. And by then she has health lead . She also has setups to beat his wakeups and a 50/50 wake up chance
Martian Manhunter also gets 40% combos from the overhead teleport, so the risk/reward ratio is even, if not in Martian Manhunter's favor with interactable objects around. The chances of Raven going even with Martian Manhunter are slim to none. If you watch Jupiter fight Glass Sword, you can easily see that Glass Sword has to work three times as hard just to stand a chance to win.
wow, it's 2014 and dave is still complaining about zoning being bad...
