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Match-up Discussion Zyphox's Controversial Flash MU Chart

KH_Captain

Nightwolf wannabe
Agree 100% with WW and GL and even though i quit playing KF i agree with 5-5 slight flash favor if you used .5s it would be 5.5-4.5 but not quite bad enough to b 6-4.
 
max may be the best bane, but grr isn't far behind, Grr got 5th at NEC and made it out of pools at every tournament he's been to getting 9th at WB. i think that max and grr are right there with how me and harold are for flash. i will not be surprised by anything max does, i know that bane can stuff LC MB thats why you delay it so it doesn't get hit in between, i'll gladly fight max in a ft10 at UFGT to see if through.
i don't buy tournament placings in matchup discussions, or scores between competent players i never use them to discuss matchups, its a logical fallacy.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
i don't buy tournament placings in matchup discussions, or scores between competent players i never use them to discuss matchups, its a logical fallacy.
i didn't say a thing about the MU because i play grr, only stating that Grr is being underrated. i base it on the tools and how they counter each other in the match.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
This is a piss poor reason to call the mu 5-5

wtf is going to constantly do zod balls???
zod balls aren't even the problem in this match, and adding zod balls just makes it worst. if zod balls behaved like nova blast flash could Run right under them with RMS, but no NRS had to make it knockdown on hit, major block stun and bigger hitbox, if kabal had zod balls no one would have been able to move.

EDIT nevermind flash can run right under them too, you would have to just frame the instant air ball or do the ball the last frame before falling down to get it low enough for flash to not run under it. still fuck zod, but i think the MU may end up being better since a human zod wouldn't be able to get them that low consistently human MU closer to even, android MU 7 - 3 zod LOL
 
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am sorry but i can't except that, maybe max, but bipolar hasn't been to a tournament. Grr plays the best east coast has to offer, he fights everyone well and has beaten many times the likes of rico, kdz, jupiter, myself, noobe and countless more. you may see how bipolar has a better bane, but results speak for themselves, am tired of Grr getting shitted on by non east coast players. he's only a kid (a very big kid) who's first fighting game is injustice, he plays analog on a freaking xbox pad for crying out loud, so in your opinion with no fact to support your statement, bipolar is better than Grr?
Just going to squash this right now lol. I appreciate being in that discussion and all, but I do account for the tournament placings. The only people that seem to really care about ranking Banes are people who don't play him. Whenever one of us is on stream I see us say nothing but good things, and give each other advice. I think Grr's awesome, and same with Max. All of us don't use all the tech, and do things differently. Going into MLG of course I'm hoping to place. And I feel like I can do it, but being my first big offline major I'm just as excited to get games in with so many different players. Do I feel like on any given day I can knock someone out of tournament? Of course.

@Zyphox I don't feel anyone is personally attacking Grr. Pretty much everyone agrees he seems like a nice kid. I don't see how the Xbox pad matters here though lol. For a bunch of us it's our first fighting game, I've only really ever played Street Fighter randomly with buddies back in the day. I only got to make a regional pre patch, because it's harder for me to get down to them than a lot more people. I have to travel south of the border, so it's a matter of getting time off from a busy job, and spending that money on a ticket. A lot of us did start online, I believe you included. Everyone is going to have an opinion on who is better. But does it really matter? No one forgot Grr placed, and he'll always have that for the lifespan of Injustice. Pretty sure everyone was proud of him.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
Just going to squash this right now lol. I appreciate being in that discussion and all, but I do account for the tournament placings. The only people that seem to really care about ranking Banes are people who don't play him. Whenever one of us is on stream I see us say nothing but good things, and give each other advice. I think Grr's awesome, and same with Max. All of us don't use all the tech, and do things differently. Going into MLG of course I'm hoping to place. And I feel like I can do it, but being my first big offline major I'm just as excited to get games in with so many different players. Do I feel like on any given day I can knock someone out of tournament? Of course.

@Zyphox I don't feel anyone is personally attacking Grr. Pretty much everyone agrees he seems like a nice kid. I don't see how the Xbox pad matters here though lol. For a bunch of us it's our first fighting game, I've only really ever played Street Fighter randomly with buddies back in the day. I only got to make a regional pre patch, because it's harder for me to get down to them than a lot more people. I have to travel south of the border, so it's a matter of getting time off from a busy job, and spending that money on a ticket. A lot of us did start online, I believe you included. Everyone is going to have an opinion on who is better. But does it really matter? No one forgot Grr placed, and he'll always have that for the lifespan of Injustice. Pretty sure everyone was proud of him.
look you don't have to defend yourself, i was just asking why he thought you were better, no need to go all deep into this because either way am going to be biased toward Grr. am just tired of Grr almost never being mentioned when it comes to best banes, and i know among you guys you don't care, but when i hear your the best and max is the best am like "you muthafuckas act like you forgot about Grr".
 
look you don't have to defend yourself, i was just asking why he thought you were better, no need to go all deep into this because either way am going to be biased toward Grr. am just tired of Grr almost never being mentioned when it comes to best banes, and i know among you guys you don't care, but when i hear your the best and max is the best am like "you muthafuckas act like you forgot about Grr".
Wasn't angry about it haha, just really posted it because this seems to come up quite often. I don't really see people forgetting about him though. Guess it depends what time of day
 
Overtime, I think ares might be 7-3 Flash wins especially when flash players get better and can get in on ares. Not sure if his zoning is good enough to keep flash out and his strings are not that fast besides d1, his hit box is big enough for flashes 21 for many frame traps and punishes, and ares has a pretty rough on wake up, and flash I think has better footsies.
 

KH_Captain

Nightwolf wannabe
I really like this mu chart for flash. I only truely disagree w grundy. I figured itd be 6-4 (6.5-3.5 at worst) and 100% agree with wowo. Your overall is 161 which would make him top 5. I had him 6th (160). Hes freakin good.