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Match-up Discussion Zyphox's Controversial Flash MU Chart

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
Hawkgirl 6-4
Doomsday 5-5
Nightwing 6-4
Zod still debatable
Zatanna 6-4

If you disagree and u main one of these characters play me on xbl WITNESSAD
put doomsday at 6 - 4. idk about zatanna, play @deg222 i give NW the benefit of the doubt because of staff, and a solid NW can make it difficult for flash to get in.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
Flash is the closest thing to a Marvel character in this game, and is easily top 5. The top tiers excel in controlling space, which is Flash's biggest weakness, but he is fantastic in every other area.
flash makes every in the cast duck lol if you don't want to go to 50/50 town people duck to avoid the MB LC, i say that s great space control.
 

ATP2014

The best mediocre Batman
flash makes every in the cast duck lol if you don't want to go to 50/50 town people duck to avoid the MB LC, i say that s great space control.
He does have the ability to control space, it just doesn't match up to the Zod zoning, Aquaman normals, Batgirl teleport and MMH everything. This what holds him back from the absolute top IMO, but number 5 on the list isn't too shabby.
 

WITNESS

Worlds Famous
put doomsday at 6 - 4. idk about zatanna, play @deg222 i give NW the benefit of the doubt because of staff, and a solid NW can make it difficult for flash to get in.
Play noobe then come back to me about DD, I played Chongo and beat him pretty bad nw can't win with staff alone, Zatanna is all about making reads
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
I think Flash v Lobo is even, they both have to take risks and get punished heavily by each other.
A lot of the time this matchup is full on footsies, getting at least 6%Chip from trait is pretty nice.
I dunno, nothing about this matchup really convinces me its in either's favor tbh.
I totally agree.
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
i think that when flash has a life lead lobo can't get in, your jump is way too floaty, his dash is good but flash punishes dash ins for 55%+ unlike other characters, you risk loading a trait shot if you don't do it in a combo and i blow up lobo's wake ups with f3. i punish low chain, whiffed Command grab the best in the game the best in the game and i think lobo has a hard time in the corner. but we shall play it more, will you be at ect?
What about when you don't have the life lead? When Lobo has a life lead, he doesn't need to get in. You'll come in for me. You have to constantly guess whether I'm doing tick throws or going for the hook charge/low shot mixup. If I pick my pump shots correctly, you get boned from a long ways away. Lobo can sit and wait just like Flash can. I think this is a 5-5 still.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
Play noobe then come back to me about DD, I played Chongo and beat him pretty bad nw can't win with staff alone, Zatanna is all about making reads
lol am emperor i play DD all the time, i think its 6 - 4, but am sure you and noobe will both disagree, flash imo controls the MU, i can disrespect DD after shoulder charge because walking back makes ES and d1 ES whiff and punish for 61%, once DD is on the ground HE CANT get up, if i bait his only wake up he takes more damage, LK auto corrects and full combo punishes DD corner reversal shit, DD at point blank can't duck MB LC, and all my mids hit him. also DD can't jump in flash anti air's him really well. after a block earth shaker DD options to get in are shoulder charge that is it, dash up? eat a d1d2 LK/SP full combo, when he traits up do b22f3 LK MB, if he doesen't block he takes like 20% damage and wastes his trait if he does, make a read will he try to punish my backdash? if he tries disrespect go for another d1d2 LK, if he doesn't backdash and NJ or b22f3 MB LC, jails DD. flash has a lot of options in this MU, you just can't play like your on crack against him.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
What about when you don't have the life lead? When Lobo has a life lead, he doesn't need to get in. You'll come in for me. You have to constantly guess whether I'm doing tick throws or going for the hook charge/low shot mixup. If I pick my pump shots correctly, you get boned from a long ways away. Lobo can sit and wait just like Flash can. I think this is a 5-5 still.
tbh i don't think its that hard to approach lobo, this is one MU flash can go ham in and test the lobo's players patients. if you want we can try to play the MU online see how it goes. you on XBL?
nvr i see your XBL tag, i'll add you.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
NW is 5-5
Grundy I never felt was that bad. And I played a lot with Harold.
i mean flash has things that fucks with the grundle, b3 and f3 being air born, interrupting tick throws for huge damage, grundy really can't approach flash, and i think LK having throw immune as well as SP makes it really hard for grundy to do anything, also grundy's jump is so floaty too, my offense is just way better than grundies and i match the damage.
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
i mean flash has things that fucks with the grundle, b3 and f3 being air born, interrupting tick throws for huge damage, grundy really can't approach flash, and i think LK having throw immune as well as SP makes it really hard for grundy to do anything, also grundy's jump is so floaty too, my offense is just way better than grundies and i match the damage.
I agree with this but I never got bodied that much. His tic throws are not what a Grundy should rely on. They will only work if I train you to respect other options. Those other options can be really damaging.

I don't think many grundys play the MU at a very high level. I'd say it's 4-6
 

Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
Hawkgirl 6-4 in flashes favor
Doomsday 5-5
Nightwing 6-4 in flashes favor
Zod still debatable
Zatanna 6-4 in flashes favor

If you disagree and u main one of these characters play me on xbl WITNESSAD
I got chu brah

NW is 5-5
 

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
What's up guys Zyphox here......lol so what you guys are about to see may seem controversial, you may call me an up-player, you may think i am crazy but here is my MU chart for flash.
http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/injustice/share/?user=Zyphox&char=the-flash

tagged the first name that came to my head on the MU, don't throw a hissyfit i didn't mention you i just ran through it, i just want to see what you all think about my MU's and consider what your options are on wake up, in the corner, in footsies, anti air, and how you approach the MU, thank you.

Nightwing - 5 - 5 @Sajam
Batman - 5 - 5 @DarthArma
Cyborg - 7 - 3 @Relaxedstate
Green Arrow - 6 - 4 @7L
Superman - 5 - 5 @EMPEROR_THEO @KDZ
Martian Manhunter - 5 - 5 @R.E.O. @EMPEROR_JUPITER
Raven - 6 - 4 @Blind_Man
Aquaman - 5 - 5 @Tom Brady
Wonder Woman - 5 - 5 @a foxy grampa
Zatanna - 4 -6 @deg222
Hawkgirl - 5 - 5 @AK Trepound380
Shazam - 6 - 4 @Digit
Green Lantern - 5 - 5 @Denzell
Batgirl - 5 - 5 @SonicFox5000
Lobo - 6 - 4 @Captain Oxygen
Joker - 7 - 3 @Qwark28
Harley - 6 - 4 @AK SaltFace @Kitana Prime
Grundy - 7 - 3 @
Zod - 4 - 6 @pig
Lex - 6 - 4 @Revolver
Catwoman - 5 - 5 @astronout
Deathstroke - 6 - 4 @MITDJT
Scorpion - 6 - 4 @????
ares - 6 - 4 @Mr Aquaman
Killer Frost 5 - 5 (i really think we wins or just at the very slightest possible 6 -4) @xKhaoTik
Doomsday 6 - 4 @Tm_whiteboi whiteboi
Sinestro - 6 - 4 @WoundCowboy
Black adam - 5 - 5 @AK Smarrgasm
bane - 6 - 4 @GGA Max
Match ups advantage: 15
Match ups even: 12
Match ups lost: 2

my reason behind all these numbers is simple, whenever flash hits you, most of the time you are being wall carried for 55+% combo into a vortex situation. you're life bar can be completely gone in one touch with this character. this game is all about momentum, flash has a top 3 corner game, top 2 best oki pressure and options, top 5 anti air, top 2 damage, top 5 pressure with RMSC, best dash in the game, top 5 best anti zoner. all of this make him THE scariest character in the game when he is coming for you. you know in the back of you mind that ONE mistake can cost you the game against this character. if you play against a good flash who understand timing, to go in when he has trait, footsies, patience, and even go balls out on you, you know what am talking about. i think flash is top 5, there i said it. he wins possibly 16 MU's and only losses 2, one of which is debatable. and in the future zod might not be a problem. this character is fair though unlike lets say batgirl or MMH. he has holes, but when you play against a flash who is patient enough there is really no chance for you to exploit the holes. THE ONLY THING STOPPING THIS CHARACTER IS 2 MU'S AND THE PLAYER THEMSELVES. when you get knockdown by flash imo he is the scariest character in this game, especially if he still has trait and meter. did i mention flash has top 3 best wake ups in the game? if flash still had his d2..........you would all be fucked LOL

anyway tell me what you all think of my MU chart, am i crazy? am i on noobe's level of up playing? is he a top 5 character? btw my current top 5

MMH
Zod
Aquaman
Batgirl
Flash
WW,batman, aren't as good imo, batman has too many 5 - 5's and ww even though very good doesn't dominate more characters because she has to chase people fairly, flash pretty much gives you two options, duck and wait for me to come in, or try your best to move around and not get caught by MB LC, i think the days of WW being a better flash are over.

@AK Pig Of The Hut
@AK Harold
@FOREVER KING
@General M2Dave
@GGA 16 Bit
@SEV
@Jim
@SidTheHaze
@WITNESS
@BrobaChett
@Perfect Legend
Well I guess I just thoroughly outplay all Flash players then :confused:. But seriously, the damage thing is flawed logic. Grundy should be running train on everybody if his damage output was being used to judge him as a character.
 
Well I guess I just thoroughly outplay all Flash players then :confused:. But seriously, the damage thing is flawed logic. Grundy should be running train on everybody if his damage output was being used to judge him as a character.
damn then I guess cyrax was only like top 15 then :p just messing with you. Damage is a huge thing tho, no joke. Added on with the other tools of "X" character, that is what can make a character VERY scary.
 

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
damn then I guess cyrax was only like top 15 then :p just messing with you. Damage is a huge thing tho, no joke. Added on with the other tools of "X" character, that is what can make a character VERY scary.
True but Cyrax also had a pretty dominant footsies game. Flash either has to take a risk with one of his specials or get in range of his b2, which is outranged by many attacks in this game. Don't get me wrong, I think Flash is a great character. I think top 5 is probably stretching it though.
 

xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
Agreed with the Flash MU as for right now. I could be in his favor tho. I haven't lost to a flash player since I got the MU down so I have no choice but to play the best.

See you at ECT @Zyphox


Edit: does Zatanna really beat flash?
 

EnergyKD

AKA KHAOTIC Zeus
This Matchup chart doesnt look bad, and i like how you wrote "controversial" to avoid any BS from people lol.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
i mean flash has things that fucks with the grundle, b3 and f3 being air born, interrupting tick throws for huge damage, grundy really can't approach flash, and i think LK having throw immune as well as SP makes it really hard for grundy to do anything, also grundy's jump is so floaty too, my offense is just way better than grundies and i match the damage.
Honestly... all that really doesn't matter

its the fact that every single one of Flashes wakeups aren't stuffed by our WC/C setups, but rather you go THROUGH Grundy. He cannot Oki this character, and that is a huge huge problem, considering a good portion of the game revolves around "who can get up and who can't" for Grundy.

Grundy doesn't care about your LC stuff... because we are going to be WCC our way in at the distance where you would typically "yolo" it out there anyhow.
SP actually isn't very good, because it typically just goes over Grundy and whiffs when you don't expect it to, or you just get d2'd out of it on a read (guess). At least I LOOKED for the SP because I can't do anything about the post LK anyway.

My opinion anyhow from when I played SEV. Flash still wins because he can keep himself safe from the armor and doesn't have to fear the Oki off any type of KD.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
True but Cyrax also had a pretty dominant footsies game. Flash either has to take a risk with one of his specials or get in range of his b2, which is outranged by many attacks in this game. Don't get me wrong, I think Flash is a great character. I think top 5 is probably stretching it though.
So a 15f +3 on block jump distance reaching hitconfirmable into 60% move with 1 bar is not a dominant footsies move?
 
True but Cyrax also had a pretty dominant footsies game. Flash either has to take a risk with one of his specials or get in range of his b2, which is outranged by many attacks in this game. Don't get me wrong, I think Flash is a great character. I think top 5 is probably stretching it though.
Flash can definitely play footsies without a doubt, you just got to use his walk speed/ mobility to scare ppl into trying to move, then punish them according. Flash also has a solid AA options, wakeups that better be respected, and one of the scariest up close games in IGAU. Flash doesn't have to take a risk, he can just patiently walk you down and let you hang yourself in the corner. Also at Anaheim, you should play DJT's flash, he'll play hella lame with you :).