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juicepouch

blink-182 enthusiast
- give him a string out of 2
- make his sweep plus on block or faster startup
- improve d2's hitbox
- change his WC into a stance that you can cancel into normals instead of db cancel
- change his WCC so you back dash, dash, or jump to cancel
- change his WC so he can cancel earlier
- decrease Cleaver Spin's start up and recovery

I mean he obviously doesn't need all of this but some would definitely make him less risky. I'm still new to this game but it feels like he struggles way too much to get that hit. And against the more popular characters it feels like it's near impossible. It's like I can only start consistently winning if I'm playing a very long set so I have more time to pick up on some player habits.
to play devils advocate i imagine NRS decided to make it hard to land the hit because Grundy does half life on a touch. But then that's not even fair because fucking bane exists and he does stupid damage with much better options to open you up with. I know why the noose'd zombie roars
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
to play devils advocate i imagine NRS decided to make it hard to land the hit because Grundy does half life on a touch. But then that's not even fair because fucking bane exists and he does stupid damage with much better options to open you up with. I know why the noose'd zombie roars
Bane's damage used to be offset by the cooldown on the venom used to get that damage.
 

juicepouch

blink-182 enthusiast
Bane's damage used to be offset by the cooldown on the venom used to get that damage.
"used" to be that way! If they're going to buff bane and all these characters so they do hella damage with neglible drawbacks then Grundy should've gotten something stupid too :( dammit now I'm emo lol
 

Jeffreys

Grundy think you handsome!
yes because grundy is just as bad as joker..
Grundy isn't as bad as Joker, but the dream is dead for Grundy now. Good character early on in the game but NRS had to give everyone throw immune strings so when Grundy gets in close he has to hold dat upclose where he is supposed to dominate by game design. I myself will probably just drop Grundy for Zod :/. Tis a shame
 

Csalokangas

Well-Known Member
Grundy is not the greatest character he had his weaknesses and bad MU's but he also has upsides. Even though people consider grundy as bottom tier or top tier play the character you want to play and feel confortable with and overall like the "feel" of. You can always play 2 characters instead of just one. Play him as your main or you secondary character depending how you feel. I feel sometimes he stresses me out but at times i think hes the best for some MU's. It all under personal prefrence and who you prefer to play. But in overall rating yes grundy is a low tier character. Some people like me and tyrant and other who play grundy well fell awesome becuase hes so low tier.
THANKS!
 

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
GRUNDY IS AN ASS CHARACTER AND IF YOU TELL ME ANYTHING THAT GRUNDY HAS I CAN TELL YOU A COUNTER TO IT. ME AND TYRANT WENT MONTHS FIGURING NEW SHIT OUT AND WAYS TO DEAL WITH THINGS BUT IN THE END HE JUST GETS FUCKED AS A CHARACTER. ASIDE FROM LITERALLY ALMOST EVERYTHING BEING THROW INVUNERABLE. LITERALLY EVERY SITUATION GRUNDY PUTS YOU IN THERES A BETTER OPTION FOR YOU TO MAKE . PEOPLE GET HIT WITH A COUPLE 50% COMBOS AND DONT SEE THE CHARACTERS PROBLEMS. IF YOUR PLAYING GRUNDY FOR ANYTHING BUT FUN ITS A JOKE.
you don't have to yell, jeez.
 

Fromundaman

I write too much.
yes because grundy is just as bad as joker..
Give it another year; Grundy will eventually drop to bottom tier while Joker rises.


That said...


- Remove throw immune from everything except MB moves
- Grundy Trait Unclashable again

Done.
If someone at NRS reads this, does another "across the board" change that indirectly nerfs Joker/I lose the very short, but incredibly useful, throw immunity on BF3, you will be punished...

 
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Nonameformedude

That Yung Big Body
I just think grundys meta isnt where it could be rn. Everyone has their idea(or someone elses idea)of how he should be played, but since thats been proven to not work at a high level maybe the people who are serious with this character should try to reinvent how they play the character. There are some MU's where I just cant see a chance for him(HG), but I dont think things like throw immune frames completely trash the character
 
3 months later ... Reo " hey everyone im maining Grundy " (everyone in this thread erases comments) " we always knew Grundy was top 3 and blah blah blah and blah blah blah nrs nerf his b1 reset vortex infinite
 

Ruuku1012

Real Talker
to play devils advocate i imagine NRS decided to make it hard to land the hit because Grundy does half life on a touch. But then that's not even fair because fucking bane exists and he does stupid damage with much better options to open you up with. I know why the noose'd zombie roars
Well you've basically answered answered yourself already lol. But I do think Grundy needs something more. I really think making WC a stance and allowing to to cancel out of it earlier would improve his options so you can go into other moves faster. It just seems silly to have an arguably "brain-dead" universal counter to his "best" way to approach. However, it's not like we're babies that always need patches for everything. We can work with what we've got if we have the right mindset (using 2, sweep, d2, MB trait, and Grave Rot more in neutral game I guess) and make the best out every hit we get (going for damage enders, resets, or which trait followup to use depending on match-ups) even if we don't get many.
 

Hitbox_Tyrant

"R.T.S.D" -Alex Valle
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IDK I'm pretty scrubby. Have you SEEN me mash teleport?
All I ever hear from you in the podcast is grundy is a really good character bcuz 80% combos and hes top tier. Can you just play him and show me what im doing wrong? Like seriously. Play him in every MU and then come talk to me.
 

1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
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i played grundy from release day till i dropped his ass in the garbage when trait became clashable.
i knew that was the start of a slippery slope for the character.

grundy from my view has too many problems other characters dont have to deal with and that coming from a scorpion player lol
 

EGP Wonder_Chef

Official Quan Chi Nerf Demander™
All I ever hear from you in the podcast is grundy is a really good character bcuz 80% combos and hes top tier. Can you just play him and show me what im doing wrong? Like seriously. Play him in every MU and then come talk to me.
I do play him and he's obviously super strong, you didn't get 2nd at NEC through a fluke.

You just have to have counterpicks for a few characters. (Like Dick the dick.)


I mean look at AE, I think it's widely accepted that Zangief is really good and that Snake Eyez is seriously godlike, but he still picks Oni when someone uses Sagat on him. That doesn't make Zangief a shitty character, that just means that he's a powerful character with some holes that need to be covered, same as Grundy.
 

EMPEROR_THEO

I only use characters with wakeup scoops.
AM B12 is throw immune..the list goes on
All due respect to you as a player and the fact that I admire you using Grundy for your troublesome matchups, but Aquaman's B12 isn't throw immune. :p Most of his specials aside from his water shield are throw immune, so if I cancel B12 into scoop, that's when the throw immunity kicks in, since scoop is throw immune. B12 in itself has no throw immunity frames which I'm almost positive on.

Not trying to downplay one bit, just a teensy correction.
 

EMPEROR_THEO

I only use characters with wakeup scoops.
AM B12 is throw immune..the list goes on
All due respect to you as a player and the fact that I admire you using Grundy for your troublesome matchups, but Aquaman's B12 isn't throw immune. :p Most of his specials aside from his water shield are throw immune, so if I cancel B12 into scoop, that's when the throw immunity kicks in, since scoop is throw immune. B12 in itself has no throw immunity frames which I'm almost positive on.

Not trying to downplay one bit, just a teensy correction.
 

Hitbox_Tyrant

"R.T.S.D" -Alex Valle
I do play him and he's obviously super strong, you didn't get 2nd at NEC through a fluke.

You just have to have counterpicks for a few characters. (Like Dick the dick.)


I mean look at AE, I think it's widely accepted that Zangief is really good and that Snake Eyez is seriously godlike, but he still picks Oni when someone uses Sagat on him. That doesn't make Zangief a shitty character, that just means that he's a powerful character with some holes that need to be covered, same as Grundy.
"Can we stop pretending grundy isnt broken?" "The only matches tyrant lost he wasnt using grundy" -EGP WonderChef 2013