Breaker system in MK10

Mikemetroid · Mar 13, 2014

MK9 was fine, this way if NRS is still lazy as shit and lets in all the 50/50s that were in IGAU in mk10, we can still have more than one chance (clash) to get out of it.

Hini · Mar 13, 2014

I myself in general prefer breakers that doesnt cost meter but has some other kind of limit (1 or 2 breakers per match) simply because breakers tend to outshine EX moves and supers which is what I would rather use meter on simply because of fun factor. I get that its supposed to be a tradeoff (do I want to break or save this meter for extra damage combos or somesuch) but usually the choice is pretty clear cut anyway, which doesnt make it much of a choice at the end of the day.

ryublaze · Mar 13, 2014

Keep it the same but maybe they can add like character specific breakers that put them at different ranges and have different advantage (like throws).

Rip Torn · Mar 13, 2014

LtLuthor said:
They might need to do something like move to Injustice's 4 bar system, and have a breaker cost 3 bars, x-ray cost 4, and EX moves cost 1

I agree with this. It should be a 4 bar system so they can expand on the ex moves and add some 2 bar moves that have some cancel effects (ex. FADC/bounce cancels/Roman cancels).

Jeremy KO · Mar 13, 2014

I vote for no breakers at all. If you get hit, then eat the combo goddamnit.

TomlulsBrady · Mar 13, 2014

MK9 breakers were fine tbh, so minimal change to it would be fine by me.

chessmaster · Mar 13, 2014

LtLuthor said:
The MK9 breaker system is fine- the problem is the meter system causes breakers to overshadow EX moves in a very unfortunate way.

1 breaker only costs the meter equivalent to 2 EX moves. For many characters who don't have amazing EX moves, its not worth it to spend any meter on them at all given 1 breaker can save you from 40% damage.

They might need to do something like move to Injustice's 4 bar system, and have a breaker cost 3 bars, x-ray cost 4, and EX moves cost 1

I think x-rays would be even less common in this case.

REDRUM · Mar 13, 2014

mk9 has a great meter system..

I do think maybe Pushblock should be added to it though... It would have helped so much for the characters that have little to no armor to create space vs the Kabals, Jax's, Cage's etc etc

Eh SnOwY · Mar 13, 2014

ShadowBeatz said:
Same as MK9 honestly. I'm still not a big fan of IGAU's clash system and I don't think KI's combo break system would work unless they completely revamped MK's combo system, which I don't want either.

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callMEcrazy · Mar 13, 2014

There's no doubt that breakers dominated EX and x-rays in MK9 (at competitive levels anyway) and maybe some tweaking is required. Having said that, good players find advantages from the smallest of things (they can take advantage of a single frame for example). I don't think there would ever be a scenario where they use all 3 meter abilities equally. If EX and wake ups are made a little more powerful they might latch on to a concept and make a completely different game out of it, one where breakers and x-rays are hardly ever used.

I think the breaker system in MK9 was fine and even the meter building rate in general was fine. Its just that a few characters had incredible synergy with that concept and that ultimately created some imbalance.

I suspect though that MK10 could have an entirely new meter system.

Gesture Required Ahead · Mar 13, 2014

The MK9 Meter System is near perfect IMO. The problem was everything else. I say keep it as is but fix everything else.

Tony at Home · Mar 13, 2014

chessmaster said:
I think x-rays would be even less common in this case.

X-rays are pretty ridiculously uncommon as is- almost never see them.

One possible solution would perhaps be to limit the amount of breakers in matches.

Injustice's clash system kinda had this effect: A clash is very valuable, and requires you hoard up meter to win it- but since you only get one, you no longer are encouraged to hoard up meter for it and are more likely to spend it on EX moves and X-rays.

I'm pretty sure Netherrealm will look into something like this. The meter system in Injustice was one of the near-universally praised aspects of the game.

THTB · Mar 13, 2014

I think MK9's breaker system worked, but if you had to change it up, I'd simply change it to something like a burst mechanic in BB, where the breaker has its own supply that fills under certain circumstances. But instead of having it be a free break everytime, have it work sorta like pushblock in IGAU in that you can counter the break by doing something like cancelling into an armored or invincible move.

JDM · Mar 13, 2014

Eldriken said:
Reduce meter gain from all sources is all I can think of.

Don't gain as much meter for using specials, taking damage, having your attacks blocked, etc.

still wouldn't help because top tiers could still build way more meter than the low tiers, and that would just mean the low tiers would have even less breakers.

Breakers by meter are always going to be different depending on the character, so the ones that build more meter will always have the advantage.

I say MK9's breaker system with a set amount of breakers per game. Maybe 2 per lifebar? Not sure. MK9's system is a good foundation but is fundamentally flawed simply because certain characters have better meter building abilities.

Eldriken · Mar 13, 2014

JDM said:
still wouldn't help because top tiers could still build way more meter than the low tiers, and that would just mean the low tiers would have even less breakers.

Breakers by meter are always going to be different depending on the character, so the ones that build more meter will always have the advantage.

I say MK9's breaker system with a set amount of breakers per game. Maybe 2 per lifebar? Not sure. MK9's system is a good foundation but is fundamentally flawed simply because certain characters have better meter building abilities.

Two per life bar seems reasonable.

Like others have said, however, have an entirely different meter that recharges over time for breakers. That way it's a 100% even playing field in that regard for every character across the board.

After thinking about it, that seems like the most balanced way to handle breakers. Take your idea (two per life bar) and the idea of having a separate meter that is only used for breakers.

Error · Mar 13, 2014

I'd combine the MK9 breaker system with the older breaker system, 2 bars of meter for a breaker, but a limited amount of breakers per match/round.

ShotgunInsanity · Mar 13, 2014

Eldriken said:
Reduce meter gain from all sources is all I can think of.

Don't gain as much meter for using specials, taking damage, having your attacks blocked, etc.

Or maybe go from 3 bars of meter to 4 and make it require 3 bars to breaker and 4 to x-ray

babalook · Mar 13, 2014

i wouldn't mind a breaker system more like BB and GG where they can be baited and punished.

edit: I also think supers should be better across the board, if they were as good as pre-patch superman's or green arrow's then there would be some incentive to actually save up for it.

callMEcrazy · Mar 14, 2014

Maybe the MK team didn't want all the characters to build meter at the same rate. Maybe that was part of character balance.

OutworldKeith · Mar 14, 2014

ll Nooby ll said:
You guys are fucking crazy if you thought MK9 breaker was fine. What made the top tier so good was the fact that they could build meter so well, and break whenever they wanted to.

I'm not a fan of the clash either because of how it puts you back midscreen and at full screen. And the wagering life thing was weird too.

It should be like MK9, but it needs to be limited.

lol lets not act like the breaker system was why Kabal, Sonya, Smoke, etc were so good

Iced_Taz · Mar 14, 2014

I think breaker sys in MK9 was very OK. It's my personal opinion but IGAU takes many things from Street Fighters series. That clash sys is very bad. So Boon should stay with MK9 breakers and ewentually he can add meter burn block pushback from Injustice.

coolwhip · Mar 14, 2014

MK9 generally had the best meter system I've seen in any fighting game.

Frankie_W · Mar 14, 2014

ll Nooby ll said:
You guys are fucking crazy if you thought MK9 breaker was fine. What made the top tier so good was the fact that they could build meter so well, and break whenever they wanted to.

I'm not a fan of the clash either because of how it puts you back midscreen and at full screen. And the wagering life thing was weird too.

It should be like MK9, but it needs to be limited.

breaker once per fight...and building meter must be the same for every character...

Rathalos · Mar 14, 2014

I like how limited clashes are, I would prefer breakers to be like that.
1 break after you lose your first life bar and that's it. It has no resource cost.

The MK9 meter was pretty well balanced though, so I would keep it similar but introduce a new defensive mechanic that costs 2 bars in place of breakers, but something less powerful.

Or just not have breakers at all, that would be even better.

Eddy Wang · Mar 14, 2014

Rathalos said:
Or just not have breakers at all, that would be even better.

That's something @ShadowBeatz surely would say lol

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