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The Injustice League Podcast: Episode 2

RM Jonnitti

RM Jonnitti

Hot Dog
@DarthArma @Kitana Prime @Emperor DMS @SwiftTomHanks is a boycott party really the best plan of conflict resolution? i understand that you guys are not satisfied and i know you guys are making a statement but does that ultimately help us out in the end? i know you are comparing Big E events to MLG, but the fgc isn't there yet. MLG is ran on venture capital and we don't have any entity within our community that has that kind of money as far as i know, so of course it would be a better event. however, registration, pre reg shenanigans and spacial issues could be worked out better than straight up boycotting. this is the first time i've heard of anything regarding this.
 
DevilMaySpy

DevilMaySpy

Mama's Little Bumgorf
AVN PTH jonnitti said:
@DarthArma @Kitana Prime @Emperor DMS @SwiftTomHanks is a boycott party really the best plan of conflict resolution? i understand that you guys are not satisfied and i know you guys are making a statement but does that ultimately help us out in the end? i know you are comparing Big E events to MLG, but the fgc isn't there yet. MLG is ran on venture capital and we don't have any entity within our community that has that kind of money as far as i know, so of course it would be a better event. however, registration, pre reg shenanigans and spacial issues could be worked out better than straight up boycotting. this is the first time i've heard of anything regarding this.
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Don't include me in this. Tom Hanks is speaking on his behalf. His opinions do not reflect those of the podcast hosts.
 
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DarthArma

DarthArma

Noob
AVN PTH jonnitti said:
@DarthArma @Kitana Prime @Emperor DMS @SwiftTomHanks is a boycott party really the best plan of conflict resolution? i understand that you guys are not satisfied and i know you guys are making a statement but does that ultimately help us out in the end? i know you are comparing Big E events to MLG, but the fgc isn't there yet. MLG is ran on venture capital and we don't have any entity within our community that has that kind of money as far as i know, so of course it would be a better event. however, registration, pre reg shenanigans and spacial issues could be worked out better than straight up boycotting. this is the first time i've heard of anything regarding this.
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I wanna make it clear that it was specifically swifttomhanks who is doing this, not the group involved with our podcast. They didn't even have anything to do with bringing swifttomhanks on. That was specifically me, I was very intrigued by it. We'll talk more about it when I see you at the break
 
SwiftTomHanks

SwiftTomHanks

missiles are coming
AVN PTH jonnitti said:
@DarthArma @Kitana Prime @Emperor DMS @SwiftTomHanks is a boycott party really the best plan of conflict resolution? i understand that you guys are not satisfied and i know you guys are making a statement but does that ultimately help us out in the end? i know you are comparing Big E events to MLG, but the fgc isn't there yet. MLG is ran on venture capital and we don't have any entity within our community that has that kind of money as far as i know, so of course it would be a better event. however, registration, pre reg shenanigans and spacial issues could be worked out better than straight up boycotting. this is the first time i've heard of anything regarding this.
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Yes it is. Giving your money to someone for a product you know you will not be satisfied with is insane. Giving others an option of a fun and enjoyable weekend is a nice thing to do, while also making a statement that we won't be played the sucker anymore.

Change is never made when people remain passive. Time to do something so these "grassroots" gain a level of class and professionalism.
 
CrimsonShadow

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
AVN PTH jonnitti said:
@DarthArma @Kitana Prime @Emperor DMS @SwiftTomHanks is a boycott party really the best plan of conflict resolution? i understand that you guys are not satisfied and i know you guys are making a statement but does that ultimately help us out in the end? i know you are comparing Big E events to MLG, but the fgc isn't there yet. MLG is ran on venture capital and we don't have any entity within our community that has that kind of money as far as i know, so of course it would be a better event. however, registration, pre reg shenanigans and spacial issues could be worked out better than straight up boycotting. this is the first time i've heard of anything regarding this.
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Thank you sir, my thoughts exactly. Silent revenge boycott solves nothing.

It will actually make things worse.
 
chemist4hire

chemist4hire

I Got Guiled
The tournament experience has delivered diminished returns each year because TO's feel the need to cater to every game under the sun. Running 20 games for a weekend tournament is ridiculous and now they are trying to include games like GOW. If they trimmed it down to running only 6 2d fighting games, things would go peachy. But less people means less dollars.

Ideally, I would prefer these to be one day events.
 
SwiftTomHanks

SwiftTomHanks

missiles are coming
CrimsonShadow said:
Thank you sir, my thoughts exactly. Silent revenge boycott solves nothing.

It will actually make things worse.
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Crimson, I appreciate what you do for the community, as our primary journalist; but I will not stand for someone who never goes to events telling me that I hurt the community.

I'm the reason there was ever a MK scene in PA, I'm the reason people from jersey and Philly were able to interact so much with vsm. I've been the one to welcome new players into the community, give them a place to play, and allow names like Claude, 7L, ect. to be as known as they are. I've done 10x as much for this community as you have, don't dare insult me by saying I'm causing more damage than progress.

This is a step in the right direction to get ourselves higher quality events.
 
CrimsonShadow

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
SwiftTomHanks said:
This is a step in the right direction to get ourselves higher quality events.
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Isn't this similar to what you said about InjusticeSociety before everyone ran away from it?

Familiar situation -- you decided to go nuclear on people that would actually have been willing to help if you'd gone about another way.
 
SwiftTomHanks

SwiftTomHanks

missiles are coming
CrimsonShadow said:
Isn't this similar to what you said about InjusticeSociety before everyone ran away from it?

Familiar situation -- you decided to go nuclear on people that would actually have been willing to help if you'd gone about another way.
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I disagree. The view of injustice society was so heavily changed that it wasn't what neither phase3 or I signed up for.

In fact, it was about that time where Cossnor started to involve you when it went to shit and became a Tym clone, which was never the intention. Familiar situation - you have no grounds to speak about the tournament scene and by having you get involved it went tits up. Stay out of this conversation, you have no place here.
 
CrimsonShadow

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
SwiftTomHanks said:
I disagree. The view of injustice society was so heavily changed that it wasn't what neither phase3 or I signed up for.

In fact, it was about that time where Cossnor started to involve you when it went to shit and became a Tym clone, which was never the intention. Familiar situation - you have no grounds to speak about the tournament scene and by having you get involved it went tits up. Stay out of this conversation, you have no place here.
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I think @Cossner would disagree with your version of events..

And what did the plan to boycott TYM accomplish? All I know is that you went and fired shots in a similar fashion and asked for your boycott.. Now you're back here posting on the same site you dragged through the mud. What good came of it?
 
RM Jonnitti

RM Jonnitti

Hot Dog
@SwiftTomHanks @CrimsonShadow just to clarify things, i not saying that either of you guys are doing wrong or that im taking sides against anyone. i just think voicing your opinions in the form of a boycott is something that is more of a last resort rather than something you would do right out of the gate. something extreme like boycotting can yield pretty polarizing results and im not sure if it needs to be done just yet
 
9.95

9.95

Noob
I started listening to this and had to stop.

First and foremost, to all my friends involved in this, I tell you the truth because I RESPECT you enough to do so rather than be a scumbag and lie to you.

First, I have to address what I believe is a completely irresponsible way of "reporting" this, and yes, this is directly aimed at the broadcasters of the podcast. If you wanted to treat this fairly, why was Big E himself not made aware of this podcast, your intention to report on it (in what you knew would be a negative tone), or given an opportunity to come on and have an open discussion as opposed to what seems to be out and out mud raking?

Next, why is it that NOBODY has talked to Big E directly regarding these problems? I hear about the problems and people posting and talking about the problems, but let me say that in all the time I have been involved in Big E events, all I had to do was discuss something I was unhappy with him DIRECTLY and he did his best to resolve it.

Why did nobody go to him directly? Why did nobody have the balls to stand in his face and say, "Eric, I was completely dissatisfied with your tournament and here is why..." Why instead did you decide to go on a podcast to voice your opinion BEHIND ERIC'S BACK and not say it DIRECTLY to the SOLE person with the power to change it? I'm confused as to why it was handled this way instead of with a direct and open dialogue with Eric himself.

Why would anyone talk about someone's business like this? Generally when you're unhappy with a product, you go directly back to the store/manufacturer, etc. and you speak with the manager/owner to discuss your displeasure, the options available to you to resolve this and how future products can be improved. Speaking with Me or other TO's means you're saying it to SOMEONE, but in the end, unless you've said it directly to ERIC then you haven't said it to the right person.



Am I defending a bad tournament? No. If NEC was sub-standard (I wasn't there) compared to the rest of Eric's tournaments, then by all means, Eric should be addressed (by the people who are unsatisfied) in an attempt to rectify the situation. But the only way you're going to get the answers you're looking for is if you talk to the RIGHT person.


I wish this had been more well thought out before presenting this situation to the public this way. This is a clear cut case of creating drama that could hurt someone's FINANCES and BUSINESS, and that simply isn't right, especially when you left him out of the loop.
 
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