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MK for EVO 2011?!?

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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Most of you know what "Evo" is. It's basically a huge fighting game tournament. Mostly centered around Street Fighter. This tournament was created by the players, and site owners of SRK. It has great success and gets people from across the country and world to travel to it.

What's to say, that MKE, UMK and CMK can't come together to organize a tournament like this? It doesn't matter the differences in the sites opinions, an offline tournament is what it is.

One reason why SF is so successful is because of the dedicated fan base that makes an effort to join offline tournaments. Evolution is one of the factors on why SF is as popular as it is.

We could organize a MK themed tournament, with all MK games. UMK3 being the head tournament, like SFIV or 3rd Strike is at Evo. We would have other games there like SFIV, 3rd Strike, Tekken 6, and others.

It could be an annual thing like Evo. I think that this can be done. This would be a great way to establish an offline scene. And who knows, maybe MK9 will be a really good game.

Just a thought I had. I believe that we can do this if we try hard enough. Online play is a dead end, we all know this. We need to start showing that the MK community isn't a bunch of slackers, and start making an effort!

Anyone up for something like this?

http://mortalkombatempires.com/forum/entry.php?5-Can-t-see-what-I-am-typing!!!-And-Evo-for-MK!
 

EGP Wonder_Chef

Official Quan Chi Nerf Demander™
I would definitely be down to support it.

I'm not an avid MK player, but I have about half a year of major (300 people+) tournaments under my sleeves, so I would do what I can.


Of course the big problem would be money and turnout.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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I would definitely be down to support it.

I'm not an avid MK player, but I have about half a year of major (300 people+) tournaments under my sleeves, so I would do what I can.


Of course the big problem would be money and turnout.
Thanks, I'm glad to see the support that I am getting.

If all of the people came together, the people from all three sites, I think this could be possible!
 
I'm really surprised that there aren't more offline MK tournaments other than on the East Coast, especially given how many very good offline players there are that still seem to be active. I think the problem is the culture of MK is a lot different than that of Street Fighter, and part of that culture seems to be an unwillingness to organize or travel long distances for the game, which admittedly includes me. You might be more successful trying to organize several regional tournaments rather than one large one, and then once those pick up a little speed you might be able to hold one large tournament at some point in the future. It would take a lot of effort and dedication to coordinate such a thing, but I believe it can be done if you put the right people in place and manage it appropriately.
 

Krayzie

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I'm really surprised that there aren't more offline MK tournaments other than on the East Coast, especially given how many very good offline players there are that still seem to be active. I think the problem is the culture of MK is a lot different than that of Street Fighter, and part of that culture seems to be an unwillingness to organize or travel long distances for the game, which admittedly includes me. You might be more successful trying to organize several regional tournaments rather than one large one, and then once those pick up a little speed you might be able to hold one large tournament at some point in the future. It would take a lot of effort and dedication to coordinate such a thing, but I believe it can be done if you put the right people in place and manage it appropriately.
I hosted an MKvsDC tournament here in Cali... And there was so many "No Shows." Its really sad because you see this time and again with mk players.
 

Krayzie

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It is hard to even run an online tournament with MK players sometimes, and MK interest always seems to fluctuate too.
I might be wrong, but wasn't UMK3 already thought of as a tournament and not a side-tournament at NECX?
I heard people were talking shit about it on stream...
 

Krayzie

Co-founder
Founder
Yeah I was 'chatting' on there for a little while (it only allowed 1 post per minute or something) but they addressed two of my questions about the UMK3 tournament with no tone. I didn't expect that to happen (Even if they told me Joe got 3rd when he got 1st lol).

So Juggs, what are your specifc plans to make this happen?
By any chance, are you going to Evolution 2010? Maybe a whole bunch of us should meet up.
 

9.95

Noob
First, to answer a question... yes, UMK3 was considered one of the headline tournaments and not a side tournament at NECX, as well as ECT, and the upcoming Winter Brawl and ECT2. I have to thank both Eric(NEC) and SweetJohnnyCage(ECT) for making sure that UMK3 gets its part of the spotlight and treated with respect.

This will definitely take time. It's a certainy capable of happening, but there is definitely a long road ahead of us, and unfortunately alot of detractors within our own community who will either intentionally or unintentionally put down anyone trying to organize this or the idea itself. This is one of the problems within our own community, however... the fact that we can't all just get along. The SF scene sees so much success because regardless of disagreements within that community about execution of moves and combos, what they don't disagree on is that showing up is the single most important way to prove yourself in a fighting game. The MK community has been plagued with far too many negative attitudes who simply won't get up off the couch and travel 2 hours to meet people and spend a day with them and have some fun playing in person and enjoying the day. Travel, in my opinion is no excuse if a tournament is within 2 hours from a person. Money is a different story, and that aside, anyone who doesn't make it to tournaments and support it is only going to continue to prove to the SF players that they are right and we are still wrong. With that rant over, I have some things to say about how to get this started... it's a long road and it requires work... so if everyone who is willing to support it works for it, then maybe we can pull something like this off... but don't say "Yeah, I'm in, I'm down" and then not be willing to work... if you're going to commit to helping the cause... then go balls to the wall... or don't bother to post in this thread.

First, let it be known that I'm going to talk about this with in UMK3 in mind...

For this to happen, we are going to need:

1. Education

Mortal Kombat has been looked at with so much negativity recently. This is because there have been so many MK games SINCE UMK3 that have, quite possibly and irreversably tainted the reputation of MK. Our job, is not just to learn to play at the highest possible level we can achieve, show up to tournaments... but most importantly, it's to educate anyone who will listen, and to make attempts to get many more to listen, and even to say it when nobody is listening in hopes that someone hears... WHY should they play UMK3? "Dude, it's awesome" is not an acceptable answer. What does UMK3 have, what does it bring to the table that is different from all the other "awesome" games at tournaments that someone should consider adding it to their competitive lineup? This is what we have to answer. Why should someone play UMK3? How can we tell people, and then prove to them that the game is far from a joke, and is quite possibly one of the most intense and adrenaline producing games that someone could play? How do we answer when someone says that MK is all just blood and fatalities? We have to educate people that this game is truly competative, and all of us who are willing to make this happen have to be able to answer these questions and more before we can even think about going further with this idea.

2. Community

We call ourselves a community. We try to act like a community. Don't get me wrong... it's great having MK sites and MK forums... we all enjoy that. The question is, why so many? Before jumping on me with "MKE Rules, CMK Rules..." etc.. think about this... Aside from some people just wanting to have an MK site, many of today's current MK sites exist(or no longer exist) because we can't all just get along. We have so much in-fighting that rather than act like a real community and treat each other with respect and act like adults, we run off to immediately create a new site so that we don't have to be part of that "other" community. This is again, something that Street Fighter has that we lack as a community. Regardless of 2D, 3D, game platform, online vs. offline, pad vs. stick...etc... the one thing that SF players have that we lack is that they all agree on one thing...Street Fighter is the game to play. Granted(and this part needs to be covered in another section), Capcom hasn't been so stupid as to change what has worked for them for so long(and is ultimately part of their success) whereas Midway decided to re-imagine MK into so many different abominations that we have a hard time deciding which game is the "best worst game". We have to stop this. We have to agree, collectively, to support one or two games to bring to tournaments and EDUCATE people about them. We have to stop the in-fighting, and we have to stop cutting off the rest of the MK world from each other simply because we don't agree. We have to start acting like a community, and stop acting like each MK game is a soap box for each of us to spout off about how good it is, how good I am, and anyone who disagrees should just die. It's got to be because we want to see MK succeed in the tournament scene, and not for selfish reasons that have caused the MK "community" to splinter so many times.

3. Similar Thought, Same Goals

For those of us who are willing to jump into this feet first, we need a level of continuity in our thought processes. We need to have similar thought with the same goals in mind. I'm not saying we all need to think alike... I'm saying that all our thought should be for the benefit of the ultimate goal of getting UMK3 to be recognized and treated as the tournament worthy game it is. To do this we have to set smaller goals and achieve them first. We're not going to storm onto SRK and demand that Mr. Wizard make UMK3 a headline tournament...odds are he's not even going to dignify us with a response. However, if we begin taking local tournaments in each of our areas by storm... by supporting the game and brining it to local tournaments...or organizing local tournaments and making sure that UMK3 is headlined then we can make some small progress and small headway. I speak from experience on this. UMK3 was dead in tournaments on Long Island. I personally spearheaded its revival in local tournaments out here. It culminated in being one of the headline tournaments at ECT last year...UMK3... a headline tournament at a major... then, the next year, Shock's work with NEC had the same result... headlined at NECX. This is similar thought, same goals. We have to think together, with different ideas and brainstorms, all with the same goal in mind... and make no mistake, we have to sit and decide on these goals first...and do it all with the ultimate goal in mind, and a willingness to do that and make the sacrifices necessary to make that happen for the sake of our goals.

4. Communication

If there is one thing that irks me, it's when I get a list of players who say they're going to show up, and then not only do they not show, but they also don't bother to communicate at all and let someone know that they aren't going to be there. This happened at Play N Trade just this Saturday. All you have to do is jump on the forum and say "can't make it" and then at least we won't spend our time looking for you or holding up a tournament for you when you couldn't make it. We have to do this as players and respect the directors and organizers by communicating with them. As organizers, it's going to be of the utmost importance that we communicate on a consistent basis. We need to be aware of the tournaments that we're planning on bringing UMK3 to, the times and places, etc. As a community, we have to communicate about who is doing their job to educate and who could be doing a better job. If this is going to happen, then we have to go all in and be willing to take it when we're not doing our job and give it when someone else isn't.

5. Support

Support never seems to be a problem in terms of sheer number of people who play and want to play at a high level. The problem is getting people to support the game at a tournament. There are people who will tell us "I'm not traveling 45 mins to somewhere only to have an 8 person tournament..." Well, if I had all those people showing up, every tournament I run would be 30 people easily. It's important that as long as its feasible monetarily and time wise, that we all make an effort to show up to area tournaments, both locals and majors. We need to draw a line for ourselves, and decide how long is acceptable to travel to play for a local and for a major. Then as long as we can make time(if you're going to use the "dude I have a life" argument, then you're not cut out for this... doing this means that this is part of your life), and we have the money for it, then you need to be there to support your fellow players and organizers.



This is only a start... this list can and will grow. But heed what I said carefully...

don't say "Yeah, I'm in, I'm down" and then not be willing to work... if you're going to commit to helping the cause... then go balls to the wall... or don't bother to post in this thread.
 

Tim Static

Adminerator
WOW, Amen Phil. AMEN!!!

But do not forget how much attention UMK3 got at Seasons Beatings 4 last October. While we didnt get as many entries as I'd liked to have, the game was super hype all weekend long, culminated by iloveu joe's and myselfs $100 MM which was MORE hype than the Daigo v Justin Wong FT10. I still see people posting about how UMK3 really grabbed them by the balls from that weekend. We really need to keep any momentum going.

Oh and BTW, SB5 is gonna be huge for UMK3. Stay tuned!
 

9.95

Noob
Trust me, people will still find a way.
So then, does this mean that you're all in, balls to the wall or just posting negativity? This is my point... if going to post negativity, then don't post... but if you're going to post HONESTY(which, what you wrote IS in fact true, I wrote it myself in my long post) then it's your job and responsibility to help the community not by just being honest, but by offering ideas and solutions to either get those people to stop finding a way, or, we have to find new people...which is just as much our responsibility... to get people to listen by educating them about why they should be adding MK to their competative gameplay lineup.

I'm not saying your post is worthless, but instead, next time offer some solution as well... otherwise it's negativity, not honesty.
 

9.95

Noob
WOW, Amen Phil. AMEN!!!

But do not forget how much attention UMK3 got at Seasons Beatings 4 last October. While we didnt get as many entries as I'd liked to have, the game was super hype all weekend long, culminated by iloveu joe's and myselfs $100 MM which was MORE hype than the Daigo v Justin Wong FT10. I still see people posting about how UMK3 really grabbed them by the balls from that weekend. We really need to keep any momentum going.

Oh and BTW, SB5 is gonna be huge for UMK3. Stay tuned!
I would love to be at SB5... hopefully I will not be unemployed by then. I remember we(Shock, summoning, and myself) wanted to come to your tournament 2 years ago but the tourney never materialized... Ohio is not THAT far and with enough advance planning and a little saving, it is completely possible. I will try and also see what I can do about getting a few other MK heads there too.
 

Tim Static

Adminerator
I would love to be at SB5... hopefully I will not be unemployed by then. I remember we(Shock, summoning, and myself) wanted to come to your tournament 2 years ago but the tourney never materialized... Ohio is not THAT far and with enough advance planning and a little saving, it is completely possible. I will try and also see what I can do about getting a few other MK heads there too.
Cool. Matt has all but promised lol. And of course Lex will be there. Fugee, Ghaleon and I are thinking about a legit UMK3 National Championship for SB5. But yes, I need you all there! :D And i need to come up there sometime for sure!! :)
 

9.95

Noob
Cool. Matt has all but promised lol. And of course Lex will be there. Fugee, Ghaleon and I are thinking about a legit UMK3 National Championship for SB5. But yes, I need you all there! :D And WE need to come up there sometime for sure!! :)
fixed... it's all our responsibility
 

EGP Wonder_Chef

Official Quan Chi Nerf Demander™
So then, does this mean that you're all in, balls to the wall or just posting negativity? This is my point... if going to post negativity, then don't post... but if you're going to post HONESTY(which, what you wrote IS in fact true, I wrote it myself in my long post) then it's your job and responsibility to help the community not by just being honest, but by offering ideas and solutions to either get those people to stop finding a way, or, we have to find new people...which is just as much our responsibility... to get people to listen by educating them about why they should be adding MK to their competative gameplay lineup.

I'm not saying your post is worthless, but instead, next time offer some solution as well... otherwise it's negativity, not honesty.
I already offered all I had in the first reply of the thread. All I was saying was that even if it seems like everything is working out fine, the worst thing you can do is assume everything will go as planned. I havent helped run or been to a single tournament where everything has gone as planned, EVER.

From what I've found in tournaments, the only way to make them work is to overplan. If you need 100 people to attend, make sure 150 people are planning to attend.If you think the tournament is going to take say, four hours, list the start time an hour or two early. Overstaff; at Triple Threat I ended up helping set up and take down the entire tournament, all because the whole thing was being done by maybe five people, and damn did they need help.
 

9.95

Noob
I already offered all I had in the first reply of the thread. All I was saying was that even if it seems like everything is working out fine, the worst thing you can do is assume everything will go as planned. I havent helped run or been to a single tournament where everything has gone as planned, EVER.

From what I've found in tournaments, the only way to make them work is to overplan. If you need 100 people to attend, make sure 150 people are planning to attend.If you think the tournament is going to take say, four hours, list the start time an hour or two early. Overstaff; at Triple Threat I ended up helping set up and take down the entire tournament, all because the whole thing was being done by maybe five people, and damn did they need help.
You're absolutely right... you can plan for perfection, but if you don't have a contingency... or at the very least, plan for more and(at least for now) expect that some of them won't show, that's still ok. Right now we usually hope for 10-15 for each local and shoot for 20 for the majors... we had 22(but a legit 15) at Play N Trade and 19 at NECX(when there were easily 21-22 players in the house).

I def. appreciate you taking the time to respond though... this is all necessary if we're going to work toward this... this is called communication, people.
 

STORMS

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You're absolutely right... you can plan for perfection, but if you don't have a contingency... or at the very least, plan for more and(at least for now) expect that some of them won't show, that's still ok. Right now we usually hope for 10-15 for each local and shoot for 20 for the majors... we had 22(but a legit 15) at Play N Trade and 19 at NECX(when there were easily 21-22 players in the house).

I def. appreciate you taking the time to respond though... this is all necessary if we're going to work toward this... this is called communication, people.
is this play-n-trade place in NY? when's this taking place?

edit: n/m... smithtown, ny, right?