Match-up Discussion Skarlet Matchup Discussion Thread

[Konqrr]

The point of this thread is to discuss matchups to make the Matchup Chart as accurate as possible.

The Matchup Chart thread:
http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?3075-Mortal-Kombat-(2011)-Matchup-Chart

When you discuss or list what you think the matchups are, please do so in alphabetical order. Also, they should be listed in either whole numbers or .5 notations.

The current Matchup Chart for Skarlet is as follows:
vs Baraka
vs Cyber Sub-Zero
vs Cyrax
vs Ermac
vs Freddy Krueger
vs Jade
vs Jax
vs Johnny Cage
vs Kabal
vs Kano
vs Kenshi
vs Kitana
vs Kung Lao
vs Liu Kang
vs Mileena
vs Nightwolf
vs Noob Saibot
vs Quan Chi
vs Raiden
vs Rain
vs Reptile
vs Scorpion
vs Sektor
vs Shang Tsung
vs Sheeva
vs Sindel
vs Smoke
vs Sonya Blade
vs Stryker
vs Sub-Zero

Agree? Disagree? DISCUSS!

 

[Jet3000]

Skarlet Vs CSZ 4-6, Daggers don't do much aganist CSZ. Dive Kick gets pass that easy and CSZ has great offense and skarlet combos starts slow

 

[sad]

Currently Skarlet seems to be strong against non-teleporters. Dagger cancels are very effective to keep them away. However this may change after the next update from NRS.

 

[HurlingDervish]

red dash to down-slash can knock mileena straight out of a wake up teleport kick into a juggle. I laughed pretty hard when I found this and...repeated it multiple times. So happy I found this because it felt like such an uphill battle, now I'm not so sure.Im pretty sure enhanced dash puts her into a floating ball if she does the ground roll too, although if the spacing is weird you may blow right by her. The only problem I think, now, here is building meter, one slight mistake in daggers and its pretty much mileenas round.

 

[Konqrr]

red dash to down-slash can knock mileena straight out of a wake up teleport kick into a juggle. I laughed pretty hard when I found this and...repeated it multiple times. So happy I found this because it felt like such an uphill battle, now I'm not so sure.Im pretty sure enhanced dash puts her into a floating ball if she does the ground roll too, although if the spacing is weird you may blow right by her. The only problem I think, now, here is building meter, one slight mistake in daggers and its pretty much mileenas round.

I can see Mileena being a bad matchup.

 

[HurlingDervish]

Kung Lao is currently a nightmare :|

unless anybody has any wisdom

 

[PeeJaeys]

Question, so Skarlet is going to be getting a nerf? If so what are the speculations. I'm trying to see if I should play her. Also, what's her standing? top 10? Someone give me some info.

 

[M2Dave]

Question, so Skarlet is going to be getting a nerf? If so what are the speculations. I'm trying to see if I should play her. Also, what's her standing? top 10? Someone give me some info.

The major rumors inlude:

1) No pushback on block on first dagger. Pushback instead added to second dagger.

2) Daggers cancel window is increased. That is, she is not able to toss daggers as fast as she currently is. The recovery on the daggers remain the same, though.

She is a top 10 character at the moment. If nerf #1 happens, life is still good. No big deal. If nerf #2 happens, she is dropping a tier in my opinion. Essentially, her keep away game will be worse. As will be her ability to build meter.

She is not exactly an easy character to use. She requires some time getting used to. Just wait until the patch before you proceed practicing. You may be wasting your time if NRS tones her down severely because there may be superior zoning characters out there.

 

[Konqrr]

She is not exactly an easy character to use. She requires some time getting used to. Just wait until the patch before you proceed practicing. You may be wasting your time if NRS tones her down severely because there may be superior zoning characters out there.

This is the #1 reason I haven't used her much. I'm waiting for the nerfbat to come.

 

[Dark Eve]

I'm still gonna use Skarlet no matter what so whenever I get full practice in on her I'll help with the match up thread for her whenever the patch is released.

 

[PND OmegaK]

3-7 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
6-4 vs Jax
4-6 vs Kabal
4-6 vs Kung Lao
5-5 vs Noob Saibot
5-5 vs Quan Chi
8-2 vs Sub-Zero
3-7 vs Raiden

I'll go more in depth tomorrow, but this is how I think they stand atm. A few will change after the patch obviously.

 

[Drayn0]

3-7 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
6-4 vs Jax
4-6 vs Kabal
4-6 vs Kung Lao
5-5 vs Noob Saibot
5-5 vs Quan Chi
8-2 vs Sub-Zero
3-7 vs Raiden

I'll go more in depth tomorrow, but this is how I think they stand atm. A few will change after the patch obviously.

I agree with all of these except QC which I think as of right now is 6-4 because QC has trouble getting in. But after the patch it might be 5-5 imo. Well just have to wait for the patch before we can continue any further with match ups.

 

[PND OmegaK]

Yeah after playing more Quans I definitely think it's 6-4 atm. Cyber sub isn't as bad as I thought either, I'd say about 4-6. Hopefully once the patch is out we can get some proper Skarlet matchup discussion going, there seems to be very little atm.

 

[sad]

I have seen some high level players to play with Skarlet on various streamed matches. Seems like Skarlet is low-tier character. Her dagger cancel is fast, but ddoes not deal any damage. One mistake or good read from opponent, and Skarlet is punished heavily (much more than she could deal with daggers). When opponent gets close to Skarlet, she has no wake-up game. Blood is beat out of her. It seems also very easy to defend against Skarlet. Just block high and she is totally helpless.

Chris G had practiced some nice combos with her. He could also do the fast dagger canceling. No help. His Skarlet was totally destroyed by Erik Warda's Jax. See the video (http://www.twitch.tv/kombatnetwork/b/295180838).

After they nerf her down, she may be the worst character in the game. So sad.

 

[Past]

I have seen some high level players to play with Skarlet on various streamed matches. Seems like Skarlet is low-tier character. Her dagger cancel is fast, but ddoes not deal any damage. One mistake or good read from opponent, and Skarlet is punished heavily (much more than she could deal with daggers). When opponent gets close to Skarlet, she has no wake-up game. Blood is beat out of her. It seems also very easy to defend against Skarlet. Just block high and she is totally helpless.

Chris G had practiced some nice combos with her. He could also do the fast dagger canceling. No help. His Skarlet was totally destroyed by Erik Warda's Jax. See the video (http://www.twitch.tv/kombatnetwork/b/295180838).

After they nerf her down, she may be the worst character in the game. So sad.

His scarlet was beaten because he did not use daggers enough and he kept using B2 even though it whiffs on duckers. Scarlet is not low tier. She dominates many characters like Liu Kang and Ermac but gets dominated by characters like Raiden and Smoke. In the end, she may wind up being mid-tier, giving the illusion that she is balanced and fine, when she is not. Like Cyber-Sub, her matchups are too polarizing at the moment.

 

[Drayn0]

As soon as I get my xbox back im playing a ton of matches, gonna get involved in the offline scene as well( if I'm not too busy with college). Im gonna try and start this thread back up as its very important.

 

[WonderedFuture]

Kung lao skarlet is pretty easy if you use her tools right. Dagger fake well and back dash into block to avoid his hat trade.Jump ground hat and toss downward dagger when you jump in to avoid spin and it staggers him to land and get free grab. Time divekick well with meter upslash, and when he teleports, just slide under him to get safe.

 

[CGOWAddict]

So when is the update???

 

[Ninj]

Already happened. A...month ago? I think.

 

[ryublaze]

I'll post my experiences so far.

Skarlet vs Sektor - Air Dagger (Down) becomes pretty useless because of Sektor's teleport and fast pokes. Skarlet can knock Sektor out of Teleport with slide and even down slash. I still need more experience with good Sektors though.

Skarlet vs Stryker - This matchup is hard for me. Roll beats out slide and Skarlet's zoning. Blocked teleport and red slide can be punished easily with Stryker's fast kick (don't know what input it is). With Stryker's gun cancel it makes it hard to counter his zoning with a teleport.

Skarlet vs Mileena - I also have a hard time with this matchup. Mileena can roll through Red Dash and I don't think zoning Mileena is a good idea cuz of her teleport. Air Dagger (Down) is also not a good idea.

 

[Deity]

I'll post my experiences so far.

Skarlet vs Sektor - Air Dagger (Down) becomes pretty useless because of Sektor's teleport and fast pokes. Skarlet can knock Sektor out of Teleport with slide and even down slash. I still need more experience with good Sektors though.

Skarlet vs Stryker - This matchup is hard for me. Roll beats out slide and Skarlet's zoning. Blocked teleport and red slide can be punished easily with Stryker's fast kick (don't know what input it is). With Stryker's gun cancel it makes it hard to counter his zoning with a teleport.

Skarlet vs Mileena - I also have a hard time with this matchup. Mileena can roll through Red Dash and I don't think zoning Mileena is a good idea cuz of her teleport. Air Dagger (Down) is also not a good idea.

I havent played against much sektor, but it seems like it would be a tough match due to his quick teleport and good normals. Stryker is annoying, you can't really zone him well. skarlet has the edge in close though. Mileena makes me wanna quit skarlet lol.

Thoughts on the sub zero matchup? I honestly believe its still in favor of skarlet. She zones the shit out of him even with the dagger nerf. The startup on his projectile is too slow to trade. Slide helps him out from midscreen, but if skarlet does F4,3 then sub is right back out. Sub also can't corner skarlet as long as she has meter. You can just en red dash into slide as soon as he clones. It's not helpless for sub, but it seems like an uphill battle.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

I havent played against much sektor, but it seems like it would be a tough match due to his quick teleport and good normals. Stryker is annoying, you can't really zone him well. skarlet has the edge in close though. Mileena makes me wanna quit skarlet lol.

Thoughts on the sub zero matchup? I honestly believe its still in favor of skarlet. She zones the shit out of him even with the dagger nerf. The startup on his projectile is too slow to trade. Slide helps him out from midscreen, but if skarlet does F4,3 then sub is right back out. Sub also can't corner skarlet as long as she has meter. You can just en red dash into slide as soon as he clones. It's not helpless for sub, but it seems like an uphill battle.

I cant figure out a way to punish her teleport after I block it.uppercuts are inconsistant

 

[Red Reaper]

I cant figure out a way to punish her teleport after I block it.uppercuts are inconsistant

Offline? With your 7 frame Quan Chi uppercut?

 

[Ninj]

Offline? With your 7 frame Quan Chi uppercut?

If the Mileena you're playing is insistent on doing teleport kicks into air sai's, just uppercut her. Works every time. Either he'll have to change his strat and perhaps start using ball rolls (which are punished easily for 44%) or keep taking 12% every time he wants you to block his teleport kick.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

If the Mileena you're playing is insistent on doing teleport kicks into air sai's, just uppercut her. Works every time. Either he'll have to change his strat and perhaps start using ball rolls (which are punished easily for 44%) or keep taking 12% every time he wants you to block his teleport kick.

ok...I must have the timing wrong then. Her uppercut is 10 frames right? should be able to do the trick