Match-up Discussion Jade Matchup Discussion Thread

[Konqrr]

I realize that there might be a matchup thread already in this forum, but the point of this thread is to discuss matchups to make the Matchup Chart as accurate as possible.


When you discuss or list what you think the matchups are, please do so in alphabetical order. Also, they should be listed in either whole numbers or .5 notations.

The current Matchup Chart for Jade is as follows:

Updated: March 29th, 2015

5-5 vs Baraka
4-6 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
3-7 vs Cyrax
4-6 vs Ermac
3-7 vs Freddy Krueger
3-7 vs Jax
3-7 vs Johnny Cage
3-7 vs Kabal
5-5 vs Kano
1-9 vs Kenshi
4-6 vs Kitana
3-7 vs Kung Lao
4-6 vs Liu Kang
4-6 vs Mileena
5-5 vs Nightwolf
6-4 vs Noob Saibot
5-5 vs Quan Chi
4-6 vs Raiden
5-5 vs Rain
3-7 vs Reptile
5-5 vs Scorpion
5-5 vs Sektor
4-6 vs Shang Tsung
6-4 vs Sheeva
6-4 vs Sindel
4-6 vs Skarlet
3-7 vs Smoke
3-7 vs Sonya Blade
5-5 vs Stryker
5-5 vs Sub-Zero

Agree? Disagree? DISCUSS!

 

[CompletelyJaded]

Who's playing which character? Me with any of the above vs Reo returns as 100 wins for Reo's character

 

[Prinz]

I agree with Shang Tsung, poor old man . If serious, he can pressure Jade pretty good.

 

[DIRTY]

Good list Konqrr, Except... Reptile is definitely a 4-6 in his favor. With his ability to outzone Jade, Also baiting Shadow Flash, Then Elbow Dash her when she uses this. Also his Elbow dash seems to go under her Enhanced armored Staff Smash. It even seems to put me on the opposite side of her with her Enhanced Invincibility sometimes...? My one friends is a monster with Jade, And from him directly... Reptile is one of his harder match ups, Right up there with KL, Johnny and Raiden. He's been maining Jade since day one, And a not even decent Reptile is a threat according to him. A good Reptile, 6-4 at least... In his favor.

 

[Sao87]

I agree with Shang Tsung, poor old man . If serious, he can pressure Jade pretty good.

I'd like to see a good Jade go up against Detroit. Granted the theory is that green form stops his zoning game but once he gets his frame traps started she can't green form.

 

[Prinz]

Good list Konqrr, Except... Reptile is definitely a 4-6 in his favor. With his ability to outzone Jade, Also baiting Shadow Flash, Then Elbow Dash her when she uses this. Also his Elbow dash seems to go under her Enhanced armored Staff Smash. It even seems to put me on the opposite side of her with her Enhanced Invincibility sometimes...? My one friends is a monster with Jade, And from him directly... Reptile is one of his harder match ups, Right up there with KL, Johnny and Raiden. He's been maining Jade since day one, And a not even decent Reptile is a threat according to him. A good Reptile, 6-4 at least... In his favor.

In my experience, the only problem with Reptile is his elbow dash (and the player playing Reptile, of course ).

 

[DIRTY]

In my experience, the only problem with Reptile is his elbow dash (and the player playing Reptile, of course ).

Yeah, Pretty much that. And if both started at the same time, It usually beats the Shadow Kick as well.

 

[Prinz]

Yeah, Pretty much that. And if both started at the same time, It usually beats the Shadow Kick as well.

Well, he's got to have something . Oh, also Kitana I think should be 6-4, as I'm beginning to beat Kitana's pretty easy, although the ones I face in Mortal Kombat rely a lot on the fans (and d1 of course ) in which case Glow is almost always on.

 

[DIRTY]

Well, he's got to have something . Oh, also Kitana I think should be 6-4, as I'm beginning to beat Kitana's pretty easy, although the ones I face in Mortal Kombat rely a lot on the fans (and d1 of course ) in which case Glow is almost always on.

Also Agreed, Jade is a problem for Kit. Both her u3 and b2 will knock Kitana out of normal air dashes and and jip attempts. Almost all of Jades specials and normals are safe on block against Kit. Kit can use her instant air dash to punish the shadow flash but, You usually run into an invincible Jade once they catch on.

 

[Thead]

Good list Konqrr, Except... Reptile is definitely a 4-6 in his favor. With his ability to outzone Jade, Also baiting Shadow Flash, Then Elbow Dash her when she uses this.

Would you care to elaborate? I dont get how Reptile can zone Jade, two of his three projectiles are easily Flashed on reaction. Reptile wants to be in on Jade in this match, whereas Jade wants her distance. Shadow Kick shouldn't really be used in this match outside of combos. If anything I see this matchup as even.

Konqrr: Sub-Zero I would have to is 6-4 (only just) in Jades favour. Clones and Ice Balls are shat all over with Flash, and when pushed back to full screen what can Sub do against smart Flash/Rang use? If Sub manages to get in (which is hard for him) Jade can knock back to full screen with Shadow Kicks. Not to mention Glow>everything.

Cyrax also I would put as even match, not in Cyraxs favour. His net becomes next to useless with proper Flash usage and even grants you a pretty hefty punish at most ranges.

Is there something I am overlooking in these matches?

 

[DIRTY]

Would you care to elaborate?

Nope, But thanks for offering.

 

[Prinz]

I don't know about you guys, but I don't only flash on reaction. I tend to flash whenever I have the opportunity, especially against Reptile, Kitana, Sub-Zero, Liu Kang (when fullscreen, but is a bit problematic because of his flying kick) and other players that zone with Sindel, Kabal etc. As I was saying earlier, permanent glow brings Reptile and Sub-Zero closer (which is not always a good thing ), Sindel and Kitana players tend to stay away. Kabal is same thing as Reptile - his speed run is the only problem. Which brings me to the following: Jade-Reptile 6-4, -Kitana 6-4, -Sub-Zero 5-5, -Liu Kang 5-5 (maybe 4-6), -Sindel 6-4 (maybe even 7-3), -Kabal 5-5. I feel like Kabal is a worse match-up than Reptile for Jade. These are my experiences for now. Oh yeah, and Kung Lao....damn....I have to play him offline more, but for now it's a 6-4 for me.

 

[Past]

Ermac vs Jade is 5-5? I am pretty sure that ermac's force lift and push hits Jade even when she is using shadow flash. Therefore she can be punished heavily for using u+3 or b2. The only way Jade can hit ermac is by using ex overhead or glow, which takes meter. Ermac has more control over this match because flash does not work. Up close neither character has a mix up game, but that hurts Jade more than it hurts Ermac since she has to be in his face.

 

[kabelfritz]

Nope, But thanks for offering.

maybe i can take over. sure, jade will easily win any projectile trade with reptile but her lack of quick and effective punishment against rushdown, esp against chars with low hitboxes, make reptiles dashes a huge problem. sure you can ex glow but landing an attack then is another thing. once hes in, you have a problem. and you know how easy he gets in.

and i dunno if cyrax is that bad, you can make his net totally useless on reaction and take a lot of his options that way. when hes force to rushdown you counter with ex glow. this is in jades favor imo.

also kenshi might be a problem cause his specials are not affected by glow and are way quicker than your projectiles.

i agree with the above poster that jade vs kitana might be in jades favor, she has a good answer to pretty much everything k. does.

i also agree that JC is bad for jade even though i dont really understand why. his attacks are made for ex glow and punish, even with b1 starter, also hes got no chance in a projectile trade, but somehow i do pretty bad against him.

rest seems pretty accurate.

 

[TheChad_87]

Jade v Ermac 4-6
I agree that Jade v Ermac is in Ermac's favor ... most likely a 4-6.
I disagree, however, that Jade has to be "in his face". This is not Jade's playstyle. She's not necessarily an "in reaction" only style character, but she feeds heavily off of an opponent's mistakes. Ermac's specials are highly punishable. Should she block a teleport, he eats around 20% and can even be set-up for a reset. She HAS to use meter to mount an offensive in this match-up, but it's definitely doable. Nowhere near her hardest match-up (not that anyone said it was), but it's not easy.

Jade v Sub-Zero 5-5
He can't freeze her from range. At least, he shouldn't be able to. Sub-Zero is a fairly slow character, so the 2 frames needed to activate a Glow don't really matter much here. It's a basic rule for Jade that if your hands aren't busy doing something else, you should be activating Glow, but especially here. This means he HAS to come in to her. His rushdown is quite good, but she can handle it. EN Glow punishes every time he attacks her and she has meter for 32%, which is about how much SubZ gets. You have to be aware of his meter because he has no reason not to use it on X-Ray this match.

Jade v Reptile 5-5
He can't outzone her. Every Force Ball and Acid Spit is a waste (well, it still builds him meter). She *completely* neuters his zoning game. He can still use forceballs for juggles obv and he still has Elbow Dash, I really don't think it's enough to give him the significant edge here.

Jade v Kitana 5-5
I agree that Flash helps deal with her zoning, But Kitana has that "Cyrax Factor". If she gets you in the air with a fan and has a bar of meter, you lose half your life. Jade punishes for around 32% and has to use meter and Kitana gets ~45% ... Any advantage Jade has is gone when you start comparing damage.
Kitana is also MUCH better up close. If Jade can keep her at Staff's distance and be watchful for F+2 pokes, she can definitely take this one, but it requires some work.

 

[THTB]

To comment on the Reptile matchup, having played vs REO's Jade...flash stops forceball pressure in every aspect from zoning to wakeup pressure, yes...but that's where the advantages end. Footsies game is pretty neutral (outside of Reptile being able to punish u3), and Jade doesn't have offense, but has one of the best wakeup moves in the game in regular glow (Yes, regular glow on wakeup is GOOD). It's 5-5 for sure, but don't be surprised if it gets worse for Jade.

 

[Krayzie]

The only changes I would make to this chart are these matches.

4-6 vs Sektor - I made a post about this match a while back, I don't know where it is. But I mentioned why this match is not in Jades favor. Any character that can shut her meter game down, while making meter themselves can shut her down pretty good. Also, unlike other characters that can uppercut jade after a whiffed shadow kick, Sektor can pull off a full combo with his 6/7(not sure) frame jab just by standing right back up.

4-6 vs Sonya - Easily can keep her away, her uppercut really hurts Jade. Her dive kick also tracks down shadow kicks, so you cant really throw those out to make meter or get in, and you definitely cant AA her with U3 because on hit, her dive kick grants Sonya a full combo.

3-7 vs Smoke - Jade is helpless once again in the meter department here, Smoke can zone her out all day and she cant do anything about it. She cant throw any projectiles because he can counter them, and don't even think about using EN Projectile mix-ups because if he counters the first one, the second boomerang will act as if it whiffed, and he will be able to counter the second one, so that's 2 unblockable parries for you. In this match, Smoke gains meter, and Jade gains nothing.

6-4 vs SubZero - Besides the fact that she can glow through his iceball and clone, she can always just EN Shadow Kick him out of anything. Sure it may cost meter, but this is a match, she is constantly gaining meter. She can also beat out all of his wake-ups with B3, poor Sub has to stand block and take it, specially in the corner.

I'd like to see a good Jade go up against Detroit. Granted the theory is that green form stops his zoning game but once he gets his frame traps started she can't green form.

Detroit will get to play my Jade at Devastation.

 

[CompletelyJaded]

Personal experience says 7-3 vs Kenshi. Poor guy has nothing up his sleeve that saves him from a staff between the legs. Tries to keep Jade away and fails.

 

[Krayzie]

The only changes I would make to this chart are these matches.

4-6 vs Sektor - I made a post about this match a while back, I don't know where it is. But I mentioned why this match is not in Jades favor. Any character that can shut her meter game down, while making meter themselves can shut her down pretty good. Also, unlike other characters that can uppercut jade after a whiffed shadow kick, Sektor can pull off a full combo with his 6/7(not sure) frame jab just by standing right back up.

4-6 vs Sonya - Easily can keep her away, her uppercut really hurts Jade. Her dive kick also tracks down shadow kicks, so you cant really throw those out to make meter or get in, and you definitely cant AA her with U3 because on hit, her dive kick grants Sonya a full combo.

3-7 vs Smoke - Jade is helpless once again in the meter department here, Smoke can zone her out all day and she cant do anything about it. She cant throw any projectiles because he can counter them, and don't even think about using EN Projectile mix-ups because if he counters the first one, the second boomerang will act as if it whiffed, and he will be able to counter the second one, so that's 2 unblockable parries for you. In this match, Smoke gains meter, and Jade gains nothing.

6-4 vs SubZero - Besides the fact that she can glow through his iceball and clone, she can always just EN Shadow Kick him out of anything. Sure it may cost meter, but this is a match where she is constantly gaining meter. She can also beat out all of his wake-ups with B3, poor Sub has to stand block and take it, specially in the corner.



Detroit will get to play my Jade at Devastation.

I added some feedback on my original post.

To comment on the Reptile matchup, having played vs REO's Jade...flash stops forceball pressure in every aspect from zoning to wakeup pressure, yes...but that's where the advantages end. Footsies game is pretty neutral (outside of Reptile being able to punish u3), and Jade doesn't have offense, but has one of the best wakeup moves in the game in regular glow (Yes, regular glow on wakeup is GOOD). It's 5-5 for sure, but don't be surprised if it gets worse for Jade.

I'll leave it at 5-5 considering I want to get some more match experience against him. However, its the other way around. Don't be surprised if it gets worse for Reptile. As good as U3 is, you are seriously underestimating the character as a whole. Reptile cant play footsies against Jade, and she always has some sort of advantage on him.

 

[Prinz]

I agree the part with Smoke. Man, how am I suposed to kick his ass with that parry thing?

 

[Krayzie]

I agree the part with Smoke. Man, how am I suposed to kick his ass with that parry thing?

You have to approach him, and wait for your opponent to make mistakes and capitalize. You also have to be careful while doing this because she cannot turn invincible to Smoke Bombs.

 

[Prinz]

Moves that beat Smoke's en-shake:
Normals: D1, D3, D4 (Note: Jade's sweep loses to Shake)
Specials: None
En-Specials: en-Shadow Kick, en-Staff Overhead, en-Glow (any move will beat Shake while en-Glow is active).
(taken from here: http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?8104-Moves-that-beat-Enhanced-Shake).
So, as I understand, when Smoke en-shakes, Jade en-glows and punishes with a full combo, neat...
This will change my match-up against Smoke.

 

[CompletelyJaded]

Disagree about Sonya. With good reading of your opponent, it's a flawless victory for Jade with zoning u3, b2 into combo and Ex-shenanigans.
I HAET teh Sextor though. Any word on how to beat him good?

 

[Krayzie]

Moves that beat Smoke's en-shake:
Normals: D1, D3, D4 (Note: Jade's sweep loses to Shake)
Specials: None
En-Specials: en-Shadow Kick, en-Staff Overhead, en-Glow (any move will beat Shake while en-Glow is active).
(taken from here: http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?8104-Moves-that-beat-Enhanced-Shake).
So, as I understand, when Smoke en-shakes, Jade en-glows and punishes with a full combo, neat...
This will change my match-up against Smoke.

You need meter for this, and in this case you wont be making any. Smoke on the other hand will be making as much as he wants.

 

[Arkayne]

I am sorry there is no way the Jade-Kitana matchup is 5-5. A good runaway kitana rapes jade for free.

Jade can't punish her Butt slam on block, the only way to punish it is to be psychic and uppercut it as it's passing but even then, I've been but slammed as the uppercut hit and I lost the trade. Not to mention it's the perfect tool to escape Jade.

Kitana-Jade is more like 7-3 IMO.



Nor is Smoke, For the simple fact she can't glow/EX glow his stupid smoke bomb.

Smoke-Jade is more like 6-4 but could be a 7-3 IMO.